1 - UP Posted January 22, 2008 Share #51 Posted January 22, 2008 Being retired Law Enforcement I carry all the time. Never know when I will meet up with that special one that did not like me putting him in jail. I believe it was HR Bill 218 that gave retired law enforcement the right to carry a firearm across the United States as long as they keep up with firearms qualifications every year. I have retired from two different Law Enforcement Agencies, one in FL, and the other in IN. I go to Indiana to qual because they have a course set up for retired officers. In 37 years I have been in four shootings, never know when number five will come. Hope never! Never wanted the first four! Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyHorse Posted January 22, 2008 Share #52 Posted January 22, 2008 Illinois and Wisconsin are the only 2 states in the Union that do not offer any kind of a concealed/carry permit. Some states are almost impossible to get a permit without paying off the local sheriff, such as California, New York, and Massachusetts. Yea I know. You have to have whats called a FOID card firearms owners identification card here to buy any gun or ammunition in this state unless your from another state. Only state in the Union with that. Because of this there are no murders in Chicago at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRider Posted January 22, 2008 Share #53 Posted January 22, 2008 The great Socialist Republic of Wisconsin knows it is better for us to be sheep than safe. They have come within 1 vote to overriding a (lame) Governer's veto. The one guy that switched his vote to sustain the veto was summarially voted out of office. You would think the pols would notice. I am patiently waiting for the Supreme Court results from a recent case. It seems someone finally challenged the 'no handguns for anyone' laws in DC as being against the 2nd Amendment. Should be interesting to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth when all the gun restrictions come tumbling down. It will also be interesting to hear the silence from the same wailing wonks when they find violent crime goes down once citizens are able to protect themselves on an equal basis with the human debris that is preying on them. Wow, time for more coffee. Sorry for the soapbox. Rant off. RR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flb_78 Posted January 22, 2008 Share #54 Posted January 22, 2008 Yea I know. You have to have whats called a FOID card firearms owners identification card here to buy any gun or ammunition in this state unless your from another state. Only state in the Union with that. Because of this there are no murders in Chicago at all. I am a former inmate of Illinois. I moved out almost 5 years ago. I know all about the illegal FOID card. Yep, it's a good thing that Chicago has all those gun laws and banned handguns for the law abiding citizen. Made it one of the safest cities in the country to be in!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KitCarson Posted January 22, 2008 Share #55 Posted January 22, 2008 My .38 stays in my car at all times....may be empty right now cuz I used up all my shots on a rattlesnake in the driveway that I finally had to get a .22, used all the shots on it, then got my 20 guage shotgun to kill it. Don't laugh it was a BIG snake. But I do carry the gun. Guess I better buy some more ammo. I do not care for snakes either........why God made snakes? I will ask him that one day.....we had cobras in Vietnam, wake up and it is sitting in the tent.....been a lot of tents ruined that way!! I am a plumber......was under a house.....ran into a snake.......tried my best to stand up........got knots all over my head trying that till I settled down......I fully understand the snake thing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spear Posted January 22, 2008 Share #56 Posted January 22, 2008 Ah - America. Land of the brave, home of the free! If you wanna ride for days and days and days across one of the greatest countries on this earth, WITHOUT packing any sort of firearm, and ride safe and free without ANY fear of some crazy taking a shot at you . . . COME TO AUSTRALIA. No ordinary citizen has the right to carry a handgun here. You can walk down the street and not worry about who's packin' and who ain't. There's no such thing as a concealed weapon permit because we don't allow concealed weapons. Full stop. Makes for an easy and non-paranoid lifestyle. I'm a retired LEO, and there's no way in the wide world that I am able to carry a firearm "just because I want to." Wouldn't want to anyway. Why? To protect me from somebody else who also isn't carrying a firearm? Get where I'm coming from? I plan to do a lot of international travel over the next few years, and the good ol' USofA is the last place I'd wanna be - because every man and his dog is packing a piece - BECAUSE HE CAN! No thank you! _______________________________________________ The above is not meant to be a slight on anybody on this forum, or anybody who has posted in this thread. I just can't get my head around the fact that y'all take up the right to be armed - because your constitution says you're allowed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilot Posted January 22, 2008 Share #57 Posted January 22, 2008 Have them but I never felt the need to carry one. Hope I never regret that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeeze Posted January 22, 2008 Share #58 Posted January 22, 2008 ....No ordinary citizen has the right to carry a handgun here. ...To protect me from somebody else who also isn't carrying a firearm? ... Hey, nice Statement, this describes exactly the Way it is handled in Germany and some other Countries in Europe. So, this is why only the bad Guys are the only ones with Guns... And they use it, without any permit. I have 2 registrated Weapons at Home, a .22 single Shot Match Rifle and a .22 2-shot Derringer. I have only Permission to own the Guns. I cannot purchase Ammo with my Permit. But if i had some (illegal) Ammo and would use it to protect my Family, i'd go to Jail for 5 to 10 Years. The Thief or the Burglar would get 1-2 Years for breaking into my House and raping my Beloved ones .... So, if i would be in need to protect my Family, i'd better throw my Cordless and/or Cellphone after them .... I think, as stated above, it's better to have some Guns in reasonable Hands and a Lot on the other Side, than only Weapons in Hands of those who do bad Things with such Tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOO Posted January 22, 2008 Share #59 Posted January 22, 2008 Ah - America. Land of the brave, home of the free! If you wanna ride for days and days and days across one of the greatest countries on this earth, WITHOUT packing any sort of firearm, and ride safe and free without ANY fear of some crazy taking a shot at you . . . COME TO AUSTRALIA. No ordinary citizen has the right to carry a handgun here. You can walk down the street and not worry about who's packin' and who ain't. There's no such thing as a concealed weapon permit because we don't allow concealed weapons. Full stop. Makes for an easy and non-paranoid lifestyle. I'm a retired LEO, and there's no way in the wide world that I am able to carry a firearm "just because I want to." Wouldn't want to anyway. Why? To protect me from somebody else who also isn't carrying a firearm? Get where I'm coming from? I plan to do a lot of international travel over the next few years, and the good ol' USofA is the last place I'd wanna be - because every man and his dog is packing a piece - BECAUSE HE CAN! No thank you! _______________________________________________ The above is not meant to be a slight on anybody on this forum, or anybody who has posted in this thread. I just can't get my head around the fact that y'all take up the right to be armed - because your constitution says you're allowed to be. You really don't need to be concerned about all the people legally carrying in the USA, you need to be concerned with the illegal ones. Do the bad guys not have guns in AUSTRALIA? And if there are no guns down there why do the Leo's have to carry. I too am not trying to get a heated discussion going, just making a couple of observations. Jerry:big-grin-emoticon: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyHorse Posted January 22, 2008 Share #60 Posted January 22, 2008 Ah - America. Land of the brave, home of the free! If you wanna ride for days and days and days across one of the greatest countries on this earth, WITHOUT packing any sort of firearm, and ride safe and free without ANY fear of some crazy taking a shot at you . . . COME TO AUSTRALIA. No ordinary citizen has the right to carry a handgun here. You can walk down the street and not worry about who's packin' and who ain't. There's no such thing as a concealed weapon permit because we don't allow concealed weapons. Full stop. Makes for an easy and non-paranoid lifestyle. I'm a retired LEO, and there's no way in the wide world that I am able to carry a firearm "just because I want to." Wouldn't want to anyway. Why? To protect me from somebody else who also isn't carrying a firearm? Get where I'm coming from? I plan to do a lot of international travel over the next few years, and the good ol' USofA is the last place I'd wanna be - because every man and his dog is packing a piece - BECAUSE HE CAN! No thank you! _______________________________________________ The above is not meant to be a slight on anybody on this forum, or anybody who has posted in this thread. I just can't get my head around the fact that y'all take up the right to be armed - because your constitution says you're allowed to be. The only thing you have to fear is funnel web spiders, box jelly fish, and every other extremely poisonous/deadly creature you guys manufacture down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyHorse Posted January 22, 2008 Share #61 Posted January 22, 2008 I am a former inmate of Illinois. I moved out almost 5 years ago. I know all about the illegal FOID card. Yep, it's a good thing that Chicago has all those gun laws and banned handguns for the law abiding citizen. Made it one of the safest cities in the country to be in!!! That made me laugh a good one. I'm plotting my escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyHorse Posted January 22, 2008 Share #62 Posted January 22, 2008 Ah - America. Land of the brave, home of the free! If you wanna ride for days and days and days across one of the greatest countries on this earth, WITHOUT packing any sort of firearm, and ride safe and free without ANY fear of some crazy taking a shot at you . . . COME TO AUSTRALIA. No ordinary citizen has the right to carry a handgun here. You can walk down the street and not worry about who's packin' and who ain't. There's no such thing as a concealed weapon permit because we don't allow concealed weapons. Full stop. Makes for an easy and non-paranoid lifestyle. I'm a retired LEO, and there's no way in the wide world that I am able to carry a firearm "just because I want to." Wouldn't want to anyway. Why? To protect me from somebody else who also isn't carrying a firearm? Get where I'm coming from? I plan to do a lot of international travel over the next few years, and the good ol' USofA is the last place I'd wanna be - because every man and his dog is packing a piece - BECAUSE HE CAN! No thank you! _______________________________________________ The above is not meant to be a slight on anybody on this forum, or anybody who has posted in this thread. I just can't get my head around the fact that y'all take up the right to be armed - because your constitution says you're allowed to be. I'm sure your a good man spear and in 99% of this country you have no corcern except for some gang infested areas of bigger cities and your occasional malcontent. (one tried to take me out with his motor vehicle while I was on my motorcycle.) It' s just the fact you never know. I wont go to many parts of this earth I seen a fair share of this earth and I gotta say their are much scarier places on earth then the USA. Kidnappings, religious nuts that want everyone islamic etc or places where LEO's are paid off by whoever. The US is just fine as is your country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hig4s Posted January 22, 2008 Share #63 Posted January 22, 2008 Ah - America. Land of the brave, home of the free! If you wanna ride for days and days and days across one of the greatest countries on this earth, WITHOUT packing any sort of firearm, and ride safe and free without ANY fear of some crazy taking a shot at you . . . COME TO AUSTRALIA. No ordinary citizen has the right to carry a handgun here. You can walk down the street and not worry about who's packin' and who ain't. There's no such thing as a concealed weapon permit because we don't allow concealed weapons. Full stop. Makes for an easy and non-paranoid lifestyle. I'm a retired LEO, and there's no way in the wide world that I am able to carry a firearm "just because I want to." Wouldn't want to anyway. Why? To protect me from somebody else who also isn't carrying a firearm? Get where I'm coming from? I plan to do a lot of international travel over the next few years, and the good ol' USofA is the last place I'd wanna be - because every man and his dog is packing a piece - BECAUSE HE CAN! No thank you! Come on over, it is not that bad!!! Not that many carry, the ones that do are just a very vocal group. I never carry, only own one gun, a .22 rifle I have as a keepsake from my father. It was the gun he bought with his first paycheck when he was 16, and was the gun he taught me to shoot with when I was 8. But I have been all over the far East, and Australia in the military, and have to admit, the only place I felt as safe or safer than in the US was Australia. Great place, plan to go back for a visit in 2010. As far as to carry or not.. let me make a corollary to nature.. There are wolves and rabbits, in captivity wolves live to the average age of 17, rabbits to 7. In the wild wolves live to the average age of 7, rabbits to 7. Why, in the wild wolves know they have teeth and put themselves in situations they think their teeth can get them out of, but are often killed by other wolves in these situations. Rabbits take no chances, they know they are no threat and avoid all situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsstar Posted January 22, 2008 Share #64 Posted January 22, 2008 I used to carry whenever I got on the bike or into the car. But nowadays it depends on how I feel and where I'm going. If I'm in my car and I am going to visit my wife's family, which is southwest of here, I ALWAYS carry!! Have you seen the statistics on crime in New Orleans lately? More often than not, on the bike I don't now especially on a day ride simply because i don't want to go throught the hassle in neighboring states if I get pulled over and searched. And that happens often down here. But for the next 4 or 5 months i won't have to worry about it as I don't have a bike. They totaled my 06 and wife says no new bike until I'm completely healed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted January 22, 2008 Share #65 Posted January 22, 2008 I have guns in my home and I do carry on the bike, also I carry when my wife is in the car. I started to carry awhile ago after a summer trip to Missouri. I was on Bertha, headed home, and a van load of our south of the border friends came up behine me. I sped up...they sped up, I slow down..they slow down. These kids were just having fun. That night, at the motel it hit me,...what if they were not playing?, what if they wanted to rob, steal the bike, beat the crap out of me?...etc. I took the concealed carry course, bought some handguns, practiced at the range and became proficient. I am 5' 11" tall and weigh 158 pounds, also, I am 69 years old. I think I am entitled to protect my family and myself. Remember, God did not create all men equal, Mr. Colt did...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double D Posted January 22, 2008 Share #66 Posted January 22, 2008 With the world the way it is today I would feel naked without my gun. The only time that I do not carry is to work. Since I work on Fort Campbell, it is a federal offense to carry on the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanman Posted January 22, 2008 Share #67 Posted January 22, 2008 I think, as stated above, it's better to have some Guns in reasonable Hands and a Lot on the other Side, than only Weapons in Hands of those who do bad Things with such Tools. I definately agree with that statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneck Posted January 22, 2008 Share #68 Posted January 22, 2008 Ah - America. Land of the brave, home of the free! If you wanna ride for days and days and days across one of the greatest countries on this earth, WITHOUT packing any sort of firearm, and ride safe and free without ANY fear of some crazy taking a shot at you . . . COME TO AUSTRALIA. No ordinary citizen has the right to carry a handgun here. You can walk down the street and not worry about who's packin' and who ain't. There's no such thing as a concealed weapon permit because we don't allow concealed weapons. Full stop. Makes for an easy and non-paranoid lifestyle. I'm a retired LEO, and there's no way in the wide world that I am able to carry a firearm "just because I want to." Wouldn't want to anyway. Why? To protect me from somebody else who also isn't carrying a firearm? Get where I'm coming from? I plan to do a lot of international travel over the next few years, and the good ol' USofA is the last place I'd wanna be - because every man and his dog is packing a piece - BECAUSE HE CAN! No thank you! _______________________________________________ The above is not meant to be a slight on anybody on this forum, or anybody who has posted in this thread. I just can't get my head around the fact that y'all take up the right to be armed - because your constitution says you're allowed to be. Come visit America you are much safer here than in Australia or any other country with strict gun control. do a little research you will find the crime rate in Australia is much higher than the U.S. http://www.gunowners.org/sk0703.htm Have a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted January 22, 2008 Share #69 Posted January 22, 2008 Murders per Capita list: USA #24 Australia #43 Canada # 44 http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaedrus Posted January 22, 2008 Share #70 Posted January 22, 2008 _______________________________________________ The above is not meant to be a slight on anybody on this forum, or anybody who has posted in this thread. I just can't get my head around the fact that y'all take up the right to be armed - because your constitution says you're allowed to be. I’ll start with a disclaimer. Please don't take this as a slight. There are a few things wrong with the premise of this statement, that I will take the opportunity to correct. First, our constitution does not "allow" us to bear arms. This right is declared inalienable. Our constitution is a limitation on our government from infringing on this right. Second, I don’t chose to bear arms simply because I can, and frankly I find this argument to be specious and a cheap imitation to the sound bite logic currently favored by our politicians. But to argue my choice is an acknowledgement of legitimacy of your premise. Why I chose to arm myself is not the (Federal) governments business, nor is it yours (sorry to be blunt). It may be for any number of legitimate reasons. The bottom line though is it is my choice and no one else’s. Third, not “everybody and their dog is packing”. Currently about 1% of the population has bothered to take the training, get the background check, and submit to the invasion of their privacy (in some states their names are public record) to achieve the defense that a concealed carry permit gives them should they be found to be concealing a firearm in public. In Texas a permit holder walks out of class with more training than a rookie Dallas police officer. They are then in a class of citizen that is about 10 times less likely to be arrested for any reason. They are also, by reason of the permit process, virtually certain to pay their debts on time and not owe back taxes. Having passed their background check, they are assured to not have committed a felony, or some instances of misdemeanor. You would be safer in a crowd of permit holders than virtually any other group of people. It is said that an armed society is a polite society. So when dogs start packing, good luck finding an animal control officer. Again, please don't take my response as an attack. View it more as a defense to the character of concealed carry permit holders. You are welcome to visit our country. We have some great motorcycle roads I know you will enjoy. Best regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share #71 Posted January 22, 2008 OK, I didn't mean for this subject to start a debate on arms control, always a hotly debated issue, but I can see it drifting in that direction. I was genuinely curious as to how many riders actually carry firearms while they are touring. From the responses it seems like there are a lot more than I had anticipated. Maybe what I should have done was to post a yea or nay poll? Before this thread gets out of control I ask that we go back to the original question. A simple yes or no will suffice..... Many Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoutman Posted January 22, 2008 Share #72 Posted January 22, 2008 OK, I didn't mean for this subject to start a debate on arms control, always a hotly debated issue, but I can see it drifting in that direction. I was genuinely curious as to how many riders actually carry firearms while they are touring. From the responses it seems like there are a lot more than I had anticipated. Maybe what I should have done was to post a yea or nay poll? Before this thread gets out of control I ask that we go back to the original question. A simple yes or no will suffice..... Many Thanks. I agree with Condor. Maybe the moderator to can "kill" the thread so that it just drops lower and lower and does not show up in the "new posts" list. Then a poll could be opened to get things going again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillrider Posted January 22, 2008 Share #73 Posted January 22, 2008 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share #74 Posted January 22, 2008 yes Thanks Chuck..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBrush Posted January 22, 2008 Share #75 Posted January 22, 2008 OK, I didn't mean for this subject to start a debate on arms control, always a hotly debated issue, but I can see it drifting in that direction. I was genuinely curious as to how many riders actually carry firearms while they are touring. From the responses it seems like there are a lot more than I had anticipated. Maybe what I should have done was to post a yea or nay poll? Before this thread gets out of control I ask that we go back to the original question. A simple yes or no will suffice..... Many Thanks. A yea or nay poll would have been, and still is, a much better idea. And make it anonymous. One would hope that those smart enough to get proper permits and training to carry would also be smart enough not to broadcast it with a full personal profile filled out... Of course, that's just my opinion. Aussies seem to have a 'wild west' perception of the USA...I had a friend in Adelaide who thought we all ran around with pistols waving them at each other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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