Guest tx2sturgis Posted July 22, 2012 #26 Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Every state accepting federal funds must follow the federal guidelines, included in those are safety chains ( except agricultural implements, 5th wheels and semi tractors ). A motorcycle IS a motor vehicle and falls under this statute " or another motor vehicle" used to discribe anything not a car truck semi . . . . and no exception is granted for motorcycles. I was surprised but Texas is actually one state where It requires them to be crossed and gives a lot of details In Texas that is: Title 37 Part 1 Chapter 21 Rule 21.5 (a) A person may not operate a passenger car or light truck while towing a trailer, semitrailer, house trailer, or another motor vehicle on a public highway unless safety chains of a type approved by the department are attached in a manner approved by the department from the trailer, semitrailer, house trailer, or drawn motor vehicle to the towing vehicle. I am not towing 'another motor vehicle'. Read it again. WHILE TOWING...ANOTHER MOTOR VEHICLE. And a motorcycle does not meet the definition of a passenger car or light truck, under Texas definitions. I am correct on this and willing to fight it in court if a ticket were to be issued here in Texas. Besides, ALL motorcycle manufacturers (other than can-am) prohibit the use of a trailer being pulled by a bike, (chains or not) and in the case of an accident, your insurance company gets to figure out if they will even cover the rig (and any 3rd party damage caused ). So if an officer were to enforce this, he should be writing a ticket for the bike pulling the trailer, not whether it has chains or not. And of course they will never do that. Edited July 22, 2012 by tx2sturgis
Guest tx2sturgis Posted July 22, 2012 #27 Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) ALL 50 STATES, Every state accepting federal funds must follow the federal guidelines, included in those are safety chains ( except agricultural implements, 5th wheels and semi tractors ). To get your Federal Motor Fuel Tax Funds your state comply's with this. and all 50 do!! . Incorrect. Safety chain laws vary from state to state. Most states require safety chains, on passenger cars and light trucks, pulling trailers, OR some motor vehicles pulling trailers, but there are always exemptions or omissions, such as ag use, CMVs, and those trailers under a certain weight, such as under 2000 pounds. But some states do NOT require them at all, according to what I find when searching the interweb. http://webspace.webring.com/people/jv/vintage_campers1/StateSafetyChainLaws.pdf I also found these states listed as having zero or limited safety chain laws: Arizona Delaware Idaho Kansas (bumper hitches only) Louisiana (over 6000 pounds) Mississippi (bumper hitches only) Rhode Island Maryland for example, requires the chains to be attached to the frame of the towing vehicle. Thats just not practical or safe on a motorcycle. As I stated before, the actual 'frame' in a motorcycle does not always extend to where we attach the hitch. Some of those states listed may have changed or may even be incorrect, but the point is, that safety chain laws vary from state to state, as far as weights, and vehicles. Of course its very easy to comply when pulling a 5000 pound RV all over the country: Just hang two strong chains under the hitch and your probably good in all 50 states and Canada. No one will ever stop you and say u can take those off here in this or that state. So its common practice to assume that all states require chains on all vehicles, but its just not true. So, like helmets, pulling trailers, and motor oil, we will disagree on some things. But its all good. Edited July 22, 2012 by tx2sturgis
Guest tx2sturgis Posted July 23, 2012 #28 Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) Trailer--Every vehicle with or without motive power, other than a pole trailer, designed for carrying persons or property and for being drawn by a motor vehicle and so connected that no part of its weight rests upon the towing vehicle. "Semitrailer" means a vehicle with or without motive power, other than a pole trailer: (A) designed to be drawn by a motor vehicle and to transport persons or property; and (B) constructed so that part of the vehicle's weight and load rests on or is carried by another vehicle. Under this definition, my trailer is actually legally a semi-trailer and is probably exempt from the safety chain rule. Oh this is interesting! I had no idea I was pulling a semi-trailer with my bike..... Never thought about it. But I do tell people that my Venture is my 'two-wheeled truck'....now I guess its official! Edited July 23, 2012 by tx2sturgis
dacheedah Posted July 23, 2012 #29 Posted July 23, 2012 I was wrong chains are not a federal mandate on home made trailers, thats the short answer. I did call a friend from NHTSA to find out if safety chains were a mandate, when he got back to me he gave a yes and no answer that would require a room of lawyers but basically here was his answer. Trailer manufacturers are required by NHTSA to meet or exceed SAE J684. That determines what rating that the hitch components and safety chains are required, so the manufacturers are required to install them based on the trailer rating. Several groups of trailer manufacturers and most exceed the base requirements. He spoke to Arizona in regards to not spelling out the use of chains but the law in Arizona requires the use of and forbids removing or safety equipment on all manufactured vehicles and this includes trailers. I asked about home made trailers and kit trailers. He basically said kit trailers are assembled at home but manufactured off site and must comply. In regards to home built trailers it is the states responsibility to set guidelines and the only federal mandate on home built trailers are requirements of lighting. Some states inspect, others do not. You do know that all these laws were written by lawyers to divide and confuse us common folk. . .
Guest tx2sturgis Posted July 23, 2012 #30 Posted July 23, 2012 I was wrong chains are not a federal mandate on home made trailers, thats the short answer. In regards to home built trailers it is the states responsibility to set guidelines and the only federal mandate on home built trailers are requirements of lighting. Some states inspect, others do not. You do know that all these laws were written by lawyers to divide and confuse us common folk. . . And they do a damn good job of that! Yes, this is a homebuilt trailer, that weighs 60 pounds empty. I have another, factory built, 2 wheel trailer, that weighs about 75 pounds, and on that one I DO use safety chains. There is the off chance that if the hitch failed somehow, that MAYBE it would drop down and be suspended while I could slow down and get it stopped safely on the side of the road, and then clean off the seat. But seriously, on this little single wheel homebuilt, I really think a chain is a bad idea, and so I have configured the hitch to use both a hitch pin AND a large U-bolt that attaches the trailer solidly to the bike. There is no hitch-ball to come unscrewed, nor is there a release of any kind that might pop open if the trailer was impacted by something. Yeah...I guess both pieces of hardware could fail, or in fact, the fender subframe spreaderbar could drop off if all four bolts failed...you know...stuff could happen. I understand the rules, and why they are there. But if this singlewheel trailer comes apart from the bike, safety chains will NOT be able to keep it upright, it will fall over, and either begin sliding or tumbling. In either case, chains attaching it to my bike, and keeping it back there where it can get into my running gear, will PROBABLY cause me and the bike to lose control. Period. Even if I was FORCED to add chains, I would apparently be looking at chains that are rated at the GVW of the trailer. As the manufacturer, I would set that at say, 120 pounds. Thats a pretty lightweight chain, about like a childs swingset chain, made of twisted, not welded, links. Then I would need a liteweight snaplink...well you see where this is going. I have never had a cop stop me for any reason when pulling the trailer, in and out of a handful of states. The trailer is so small that it just doesnt get much notice. I suppose that if Im ever involved in an accident and the question comes up, well, in the grand scheme of things, I will cross that river when I come to it. I have seen pickup drivers lose ladders, pipe, tools, toolboxes, 2x4's, plywood, and all sorts of litter and debris out the back of the pickup while traveling down the road. Its a shame that THEY arent mandated to chain that crap in the back of the pickup. As far as my little trailer being a hazard to anyone else, I doubt it. Even at speed, if disconnected, it cant roll more that a few yards before gravity and friction would begin to apply some very effective brakes!
speakerfritz Posted June 9, 2014 #31 Posted June 9, 2014 a trailer flipped over that detaches from the bike would be a pretty gangerous road obstical a trailer flipped over which is chained to a bike that was slammed into the ground becuase the trailer flipped over would be an even bigger road obstical but my state requires chains...so thats what I will be doing
IronMike Posted June 10, 2014 #32 Posted June 10, 2014 I recently read an article in a magazine that urged a crack down on people not using chains. It showed some cases where the chains would have prevented injury. I will second the short crossed properly fit chains. There should also be a steel plate on the bottom of the tounge that looks like a ramp. What that does is slow it down and prevent the front from gouging into the ground and suddenly jerking you. This part must also be placed so that while tiwed by your bike with your chains it slightly drags at lowest possible point. It looks like a slanted V under the tounge.
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