Help w/part identification

[spyderhead]

. . .

Edited February 5, 2012 by spyderhead

[DarkLeftArm]

I did a google search on your part # and it looks like maybe a grommet for the valve covers? Try a search on that number & see what you come up with. Looks like a lot of Yamahas use the same part. Wonder if something like that really needs replaced with just a valve adjustment...

[M61A1MECH]

That is rubber mount that looks like it goes thru the valve cover,

See attachment and this web site link. It is tem 33.

http://www.yamahasportsplaza.com/pages/OemParts#/Yamaha/ROYAL_STAR_TOUR_DELUXE_-_XVZ13CTT_-_2005/CYLINDER_HEAD/XVZ13CTT_(2005_MOTORCYCLE)/CYLINDER_HEAD_(XVZ13CTT_-_2005)

[dingy]

I just had my RSTD in the shop for a valve adjustment and on the bill I see 16 of the following:

 

5EA-111G-00-00 Rubber,Mount @9.84 each Total: $157.44

 

I am not a mechanic but I see no parts charges for shims (guess it did not need any) but I am just curious what these parts are . . .

 

As always, any help is much appreciated.

 

 

It's the valve cover rubber grommet, List $9.84 $6.85 at partshark.com

 

RUBBER, MOUNT 1

5EA-1111G-00-00 (replaces 4KG-1111G-00-00) 16 $9.84 $6.85

 

Hard to think they went bad in 7 years.

 

Your dealer thanks you.

 

Gary

[spyderhead]

. . .

Edited February 5, 2012 by spyderhead

[Condor]

I think I'd meander on down to the dealer and ask him why they needed to replace those gromets after only 7 years.... The gromets on my '83 are now... what?? 29 years old and they still don't leak. Also ask him for the old ones so you can see how bad they were.

[spyderhead]

. . .

Edited February 5, 2012 by spyderhead

[dacheedah]

my steeler gives you the packages and used parts in a bag as a practice.

[Condor]

I probably will do that. All things considered, I do not think the overall bill was so high. Here's what they did and the final charge (this on an 05 RSTD):

 

adjust valves w/new valve cover gaskets

install the infamous grommets we discussed earlier

new plugs

fuel filter

flush/fill coolant

flush/change brake fluid and clutch fluid (had never been done before)

synch carbs

tighten/repack steering head

2 new Dunlop E3's

 

$1509.74

 

Did they itemize the bill?? It looks like they added everything up and then multiplied it by 2. What's their shop rate, and did they just charge you for those gromets or did they ding you to install them too??

The more I look at what you had done versus what needed to be done... on a 7 year old bike... personally.. I think you got screwed...

Why did you think you needed a valve adjustment. Did the dealer suggest it?? Plugs..sure. Bleed brakes and clutch...sure. Carb sync....sure. Tighten steering head...sure if it actually needed it. Tires.... sure.... That's it.

Edited February 5, 2012 by Condor

[Carbon_One]

Seems pretty high to me as well. Granted all the work done does take time to get it done right. An itemized bill would deffineately determine if this paticular bill is in line with normal shop charges or a complete rip off.

Sure am glad I have the ability to do my own work thou.

Larry

[Flyinfool]

Sounds like you need to start riding to some of the various MDs.

When I replaced my leaking valve cover gaskets I also replaced all 16 of those grommets, they were around $3 each from a stealer that was a nice 50 mile ride away. None of the local stealer's had them. Mine were 24 years old and not leaking.

[spyderhead]

. . .

Edited February 5, 2012 by spyderhead

[Yammer Dan]

Did they kiss you before you left???

[spyderhead]

Nevermind.

[wes0778]

Nevermind.

 

I know which Stealership you probably went to...

Gimme a call sometime, my # is in my profile. Yeah I think you got "beat up" pretty bad, but don't take all the comments personally!!! We live and learn. Right after I got my Royal Star, I took it up there, not knowing better, and they thought they could possibly do a carb sync for $225.00. I didn't fall for it and have since learned that is a 30 minute job, including a coffee break!

This is a GREAT bunch but will (in fun) bust your chops at a moments notice, but in that same moment move heaven and earth to help you when the need arises!!!

Check your calendar for the last weekend in March! Ride with me to the MD in Texas!!!

Walter

[Freebird]

Spyderhead,

The fact that you have chosen to edit and delete all your posts indicate that you are upset with the responses that you have gotten. I haven't seen anybody attack you personally. It appears that the folks are just trying to help and let you know that you may have paid too much for the things that were done. I wish you would take the comments in the helpful manner that they are being offered.

 

That being said, I too think that you may have paid a bit much but probably not that much more than most dealers would have charged you. Two of those things are big jobs. The valve adjustment and the steering head bearing repacks are time consuming. If both jobs were done properly, they could have spent as long as 8 - 10 hours on those two items. Multiply that by the average dealer shop rate and it will not be cheap. Add the price and installation of two Dunlop E3s and all the other things that you had done and I can easily see it coming to $1500.00

 

I'm sorry guys but I think you would find that if all that stuff was done and done correctly, it would come to that $1500.00 range most anywhere you take it. We are all just cost sensitive here because we do so much of our own work because we don't like paying that kind of money for service. I think to say that he was cheated or double charged is absolutely incorrect though.

[Freebird]

OK first of all, Spyderhead, I'm going to offer you a very mild scolding here. You should not have edited and removed your posts. When you post a question, you may not like all the answers that you get but it is stuff that we can all learn from. When you come back and delete your posts, it screws up the entire thread. Now when we read this thread, the answers don't mean much. You have to expect that when you ask a question here, not everybody is going to share the same opinions on the subject.

 

So, here is the list of what you previously posted of the work that you had done. I'm putting my estimate of the hours that a dealership would have charged to do these jobs. Now we all know that some of these jobs take less time than I am estimating but I think that most dealership probably charge a MINIMUM of one hour. So most would charge at least an hours labor to do, for example, a carb sync. We all know that it can be done in 15 to 30 minutes but I don't think I've ever seen a report of a dealer doing it for less than $100.00 and some charge a lot more. So here are my estimates and this is based upon me having actually done or at least HELPED do all these jobs.

 

adjust valves w/new valve cover gaskets

4 hours

install the infamous grommets we discussed earlier

 

new plugs

1 hour

 

fuel filter

1 hour

 

flush/fill coolant

1 hour

 

flush/change brake fluid and clutch fluid (had never been done before) 1 hour

 

synch carbs 1 hour

 

tighten/repack steering head 3 hours

 

2 new Dunlop E3's

2 hours

That adds up to 14 hours of labor. Now some of you may think that the 4 hours to adjust valves and the 6 hours to repack the steering head bearings is excessive. I don't think so though and if this had been the RSV, you could increase the time on the steering head bearings to about 6 hours.

 

Now I don't know what the standard hourly shop rate is now but I would guess that $75.00 per hour is fairly typical. So, 14 X 75.00 = $1050.00.

 

Now add the price of two Dunlop Elite 3 tires, valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, brake and clutch fluid, coolant, grease and the typical shop supplies that they usually charge you for and you are quickly going to surpass the $1500.00 that you were charged.

 

While I know that all this may sound high for those of us who do our own work, I don't think it is out of line at all for a dealer service.

 

So Spyderhead, while there will obviously be some who don't agree with me on this, I think that if all those things were actually done, I think you got a pretty fair deal.

[Yammer Dan]

I wasn't trying to upset you. I just wish I could charge like that and sleep at night.

[Carbon_One]

I'm pretty much in agreement with Don on time limits to do those various jobs. Having just done the valve job on both my bike and Ragtopgs69's bike (with him working on it too) It easily took 20 hrs doing them both. Some of the work done removing the panels etc was done as part of the valve adjustment procedure. Like changing a fuel filter, flushing the coolant system, spark plugs, checking float level while carbs were off, etc. Cleaning components of dirt & grim. We also checked and adjusted the steering head bearings using the method in the tech library here. Then reassembling everything once our parts come in.

So ya shop labor is a killer due to the amount of time to do some of these jobs.

Larry

[MiCarl]

I wasn't trying to upset you. I just wish I could charge like that and sleep at night.

 

The problem with sleeping isn't conscience, it's a growling stomach.

 

By the time you pay for the building, equipment, all the state departments that issue and demand paperwork, utilities, taxes etc., there just isn't much left.

[Yammer Dan]

The problem with sleeping isn't conscience, it's a growling stomach.

 

By the time you pay for the building, equipment, all the state departments that issue and demand paperwork, utilities, taxes etc., there just isn't much left.

 

 

 

Milk and cookies in the middle of the night work wonders!! Getting hard to find good cookies unless the Warden is in a good mood.