cabreco Posted January 25, 2012 #1 Posted January 25, 2012 Well I seem to be down to the small things the make me twitch My 84 has a the digital lcd clock in the cluster. It works, no buttons are stuck. I am able to set the time with no problem. I have power when I shut the key off & short term she seems to be keeping time. I set it two days ago to match the clock on my GPS which is also the same time as my Honda750. Today I happened to look at it and it is 3 hours faster that the GPS & the Honda, which are still in sync. Is there something I should check to fix this or is it basically useless?
KIC Posted January 25, 2012 #2 Posted January 25, 2012 Pretty common problem on the 1st Gens. It's just because they are so fast they have this time warp thing going. On the same note ...the.clocks and the speedos on 2nd Gens are always very very very slow . Sorry...couldn't resist....
Prairiehammer Posted January 25, 2012 #3 Posted January 25, 2012 But seriously, Andy, I've never heard of such a thing for a First Gen. Sounds like a chip is screwed. Short of replacing the entire "meter", I don't know how to correct this. Perhaps some electronic guru will be able to identify the clock IC and recommend a replacement to get you "regular".
cabreco Posted January 25, 2012 Author #4 Posted January 25, 2012 I think the easiest fix would be to set the clock to stopwatch & leave it at 0:00, and just look at my watch if I want to know the time! since the rest of the meter works perfect. You know the old saying: If it ain't broke.....
Condor Posted January 25, 2012 #5 Posted January 25, 2012 I've never heard of anything like that. The clock is quartz controlled and they either work of they don't. Are you sure it's not in stopwatch mode??
cabreco Posted January 25, 2012 Author #6 Posted January 25, 2012 I've never heard of anything like that. The clock is quartz controlled and they either work of they don't. Are you sure it's not in stopwatch mode?? Yeah I know it's wierd. Quartz doen't mess up like that! I just double checked it. It is on clock mode. I switched to stopwatch to see & that worked ok. I switched it back and reset the time. Here's something else to ponder...Only the hour was off by 3 hours, the minutes were still synced on time. It may be just a coincidence. We'll see tomorrow.
Condor Posted January 25, 2012 #7 Posted January 25, 2012 Yeah I know it's wierd. Quartz doen't mess up like that! I just double checked it. It is on clock mode. I switched to stopwatch to see & that worked ok. I switched it back and reset the time. Here's something else to ponder...Only the hour was off by 3 hours, the minutes were still synced on time. It may be just a coincidence. We'll see tomorrow. Maybe it's a West Coast clock???
bikenut Posted January 26, 2012 #8 Posted January 26, 2012 A little mouse was playing with your buttons LOL I have no Idea either . It would have to be the meter
BoomerCPO Posted January 26, 2012 #9 Posted January 26, 2012 Running 3 hours fast may be the bikes way to get you to your destination so you can keep up with the 2nd Gens in a timely manner..... Boomer.....who sez this thread could lively real quick now....
Pam Posted January 26, 2012 #10 Posted January 26, 2012 For what it is worth I am with KIC on this. Nothing can keep up with the 1st Gen:confused24:
Flyinfool Posted January 26, 2012 #11 Posted January 26, 2012 The only guess I can come up with is.......... Since It is only the hours that are messing up it may be that while the switch button is moving properly, maybe the contacts are sticking or dirty with something conductive.
Black Owl Posted January 26, 2012 #12 Posted January 26, 2012 OK. Dummy question. Is it 3 hours faster... or 21 hours slower????? In other words, are you gaining or losing time? It does make a difference.
cabreco Posted January 26, 2012 Author #13 Posted January 26, 2012 OK. Dummy question. Is it 3 hours faster... or 21 hours slower????? In other words, are you gaining or losing time? It does make a difference. It appears niether. Since I reset it the time at 6:45 pm has been rock solid. Jeff (Flyinfool) my have hit the nail on the head. The bike is just sitting in the garage right now. I suspect that while in motion, that the contacts are sticking or dirty with something conductive or the panel may be vibrating enough to press the button contact. Tomorrow I'll take her out & see if it changes, if so I'll hit it with some CRC electrical cleaner & see if it stop doing this. I'll let you know what turns up.
cabreco Posted January 26, 2012 Author #14 Posted January 26, 2012 OK it GETS wierder! The clock is NOT going too fast it's resetting! Last night 3 hours after I set it it was still keeping time. This morning I checked & the time said 1:00. I am assuming that is what happens when you pull the battery or if the clock loses power... But why was is keeping time for 3 hours last night??? If there was a fuse blown to the memory, I would imagine it would reset every time I shut the key off. It's now a weak battery, the bike starts right up every time. Could it be a loose connection to the memory? (even though the bike hasn't budged) GREMLINS??? Has anyone else had this problem? I can't say if it worked before the fix but could the battery electrolyte warning light/resistor fix be affecting it?
Flyinfool Posted January 26, 2012 #15 Posted January 26, 2012 OK it GETS wierder! The clock is NOT going too fast it's resetting! Last night 3 hours after I set it it was still keeping time. This morning I checked & the time said 1:00. I am assuming that is what happens when you pull the battery or if the clock loses power... But why was is keeping time for 3 hours last night??? If there was a fuse blown to the memory, I would imagine it would reset every time I shut the key off. It's now a weak battery, the bike starts right up every time. Could it be a loose connection to the memory? (even though the bike hasn't budged) GREMLINS??? Has anyone else had this problem? I can't say if it worked before the fix but could the battery electrolyte warning light/resistor fix be affecting it? If the battery is low, when you hit the starter the voltage may be dropping low enough that the clock thinks the battery was removed. My truck does that whenever the battery terminals need cleaning. The clock will reset while starting.
cabreco Posted January 26, 2012 Author #16 Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) If the battery is low, when you hit the starter the voltage may be dropping low enough that the clock thinks the battery was removed. My truck does that whenever the battery terminals need cleaning. The clock will reset while starting. That makes sense BUT I never hit the starter button. I just turned the key to on to check the time. BUT with all the work I've been doing starting & turning accesories on & really not running the bike much the battery is not 100% ( I just checked) so I just slapped on the trickle charger to see if topping it off fixes the problem. If not, then this looks like a Gremlin I may have to deal with. Coming soon...PROGRESSIVE FRONTS SPRINGS & NECK BEARINGS - Just for S&G! Edited January 26, 2012 by cabreco add to
Venturous Randy Posted January 26, 2012 #17 Posted January 26, 2012 Why are you turning the key on to check the time? The clock should be on all the time the battery is hooked up. Is the clock going off when you turn the key off? RandyA
Prairiehammer Posted January 26, 2012 #18 Posted January 26, 2012 Randy, I think the clock is on all the time on just the 1983 model. His 1984 would not show the clock when key is off. I'm of the opinion that one of the buttons is stuck down. Has happened before. Or possibly faulty solder joints. Of course, THAT'S never happened before on these bikes:whistling:.
Venturous Randy Posted January 26, 2012 #19 Posted January 26, 2012 Randy, I think the clock is on all the time on just the 1983 model. His 1984 would not show the clock when key is off. I'm of the opinion that one of the buttons is stuck down. Has happened before. Or possibly faulty solder joints. Of course, THAT'S never happened before on these bikes:whistling:. I did not realize that. I just know that my 83 stays on all the time. I thought all 1st gen Ventures did. Thanks for the info. After 16 years, I am still learning about these bikes. RandyA
cabreco Posted January 26, 2012 Author #20 Posted January 26, 2012 Randy, I'm of the opinion that one of the buttons is stuck down. Has happened before. Or possibly faulty solder joints. Of course, THAT'S never happened before on these bikes:whistling:. Buttons "appeared" clear but who knows. She did keep time accurately from 6:45 pm untill just before midnight. Of course this morning when I checked it said 1:00. Well I will shoot it with CRC but if it turns out to be more than that...I'll use my watch to tell time! This at least I could live with since my GPS has a clock built in.
cabreco Posted January 26, 2012 Author #21 Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) I shot all the buttons & switches with CRC just to clear them up. Stuff like my directionals were kind of sticky and hard to cancel manually, my horn & starter buttons were sticking etc. Needless to say everything works great. As far as the clock goes Flyinfool hit the diagnosis! If the battery is low... I have had her on the trickle charger all day to top off the battery. The clock has not failed yet. I guess the headlight was drawing juice & knocking out the clock, but the bike would start up. Eh, who knows. It's one of those thing I have tried to explain to my wife. Sometimes the only explaination is "$h*t Happens"! Edited January 26, 2012 by cabreco
cabreco Posted January 27, 2012 Author #22 Posted January 27, 2012 Check the clock this morning...still on time. So it appears that when the battery is not a 100% even turning the key to on will reset the clock. I would have though not, since the bike would start up normally if cranked. Guess it's just one of those things!
rstacy Posted January 27, 2012 #23 Posted January 27, 2012 Check the clock this morning...still on time. So it appears that when the battery is not a 100% even turning the key to on will reset the clock. I would have though not, since the bike would start up normally if cranked. Guess it's just one of those things! I would tend to agree with you Andy. I have had my battery so low that the engine would barely turn over and the clock didn't reset. In fact I recently had my battery disconnected for about 15 minutes and the clock didn't reset.
Condor Posted January 27, 2012 #24 Posted January 27, 2012 I would tend to agree with you Andy. I have had my battery so low that the engine would barely turn over and the clock didn't reset. In fact I recently had my battery disconnected for about 15 minutes and the clock didn't reset. There's probably a small capacitor in the clock that maintains time for a couple of hours. This one may be dead.... Or... it's not getting enough current to put a few miliamps in the bank. I killed my battery in the '99 last summer by running on battery power only for three days straight. When the bike died... everything died... Even started after lunch, but 40 miles down the road it croaked 8.9vdc on the multi. Had to reset everything. I have switched out batteries in the past and didn't have to do a thing.
cabreco Posted January 30, 2012 Author #25 Posted January 30, 2012 There's probably a small capacitor in the clock that maintains time for a couple of hours. This one may be dead.... Or... it's not getting enough current to put a few miliamps in the bank. The capacitor suggestion may be, I took her out today & the clock was reset. Oh well, I'm just going to have to live with it because it ain't worth getting into it for just a clock.
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