next gen

[noahzark]

Haven't seen any posts recently about the next gen RSV. I believe the last was around Aug/Sep just before the news release on the 08s.

 

I've been wondering, what if Yamaha goes the BMW route and puts an in-line 4 in the next RSV in '09 or '10? It would make it a completely different bike, but they do have an I-4 in the FJR1300 that cranks about 145 hp I believe. There're also a couple other things that could be taken from the FJR: standard ABS, FI, and optional clutchless, handlebar paddle shifting (or toe if you like).

 

Yep, it sure would be a different bike--wouldn't sound right I don't believe. They could then maybe go back toward the 1st gen look--which I believe was ahead of its time. (I still like my 2nd gen, though.)

 

I know I'm going to hate myself for this next questions, but . . . any comments?

 

PS Is this way out of cycle? Like we talk about this topic each summer and fall only? I feel like the damned elections--about a year or two ahead of what should be.

[mini-muffin]

This should get plenty of comments from the guys. Quite a few are stuck in ice and snow right now. (And yes the election stuff is ridiculous so early)This is a much better discussion topic.

 

Margaret

[Squidley]

I doubt that I will own another inline four, and never for a touring bike. I have a feeling that Yamahas V4 days are numbered. I'll stick with Yamahas new touring bike will be off the Stratoliner frame and engine...we'll see

 

PS But it would be nice if they totally redesigned the platform we have and kept the V4

[Guest KitCarson]

I do not think anyone has a clue if there will even be a 3rd gen bike in the near future. I would like to see one with fuel injection and ABS brakes and a couple other toys on it. I know a lot of folks like music so a CD player would be nice. All I can say is I hope it is still a traditional style, I like the one we have now, BMW and the Wing are great machines, quiet and smooth, full of gadgets and new technology. It is just a gut instinct, watching what is going on, if and when they do introduce a new machine, it will be most likely somewhat parted from tradition. Have air bags and all that stuff. Those of us who like traditional bikes and loud pipes and leathers will just have to stock up on spare parts!! Not that we need very many. Could go buy a Harley and then have to stock up on shoe soles.....I may have to eat crow......but I do think it will be another V-4 water cooled machine........just a little parted from tradition. I would also best of all, like to see an adjustable wind shield, that one point might sell a new one to me.

[gibvel]

I know a lot of folks like music so a CD player would be nice.

 

Boy are YOU behind the times!! MP3 player, removable so you can take it to your computer and upload music.

[Guest KitCarson]

Boy are YOU behind the times!! MP3 player, removable so you can take it to your computer and upload music.

Yea........:rotfl:you is right!! I do like music, but when on the bike I like the music of the engine, the pipes, the outdoors. I do like the CB feature, have finally said okay and ordered a headset for communication with other riders........I think this is a great tool, who knows I might even one day use that MP3 player.......would have to get my kids to show me how to work it:rotfl:

[Pilot]

I think they will get rid of the stereo cassett and install a mono single 45 LP turn table.:rotf:

[BradT]

I doubt that I will own another inline four, and never for a touring bike. I have a feeling that Yamahas V4 days are numbered. I'll stick with Yamahas new touring bike will be off the Stratoliner frame and engine...we'll see

 

PS But it would be nice if they totally redesigned the platform we have and kept the V4

 

I agree on all of this. THe Stratoliner has the 1900 Vtwin was it not a 1700 last year ?

 

Brad

[yamahamer]

I HERE RUMORE OF A 1800 V-4 IN THE V-MAX IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. NOW THAT WOULD MAKE A GREAT NEXT GEN. UNTIL THAT HAPPENS I WILL RIDE MY 2nd GEN. TILL THE WHEELS FALL OFF PUT THEM BACK ON AND RIDE SOME MORE!

[Yammer Dan]

1st Gen styling with 1800 V-4 ABS brakes FI ande a few othere Goodies. Might take Warden up on her offer. Have to part with a LOT of 1st Gen parts..

[Condor]

On the V4 issue. Didn't I just read about Yamaha supplying a auto manufacture with V4's for one of their hybreds or something along that line. That might keep the ol' V4 in the mix.... and maybe we'll get a few spin off hi-tech improvements??

[rsstar]

I'll probably get thrown off the site for saying this but I think the reason the 1st Gen was discontinued is that it looked too much like the Goldwing. The 2nd gen is a bike all its own except for a little mimicing of the Ultra. I think the next gen Venture will look even more like the Ultra in the fact that it will be a V twin, air cooled thumper. If Harley can meet the emision requirements with their twin, and Yamaha CAN'T with the V4, what do you think??

The only thing that might save the V4 is if the new VMax engine (and there IS going to be a new VMax) can meet future emissions. Then I believe that will be the heart of any future Ventures. But can the existing V4 meet future emissions requirements? And why does everybody think the present Venture is doomed? They say that if you wish hard enough for something it will come true. I would be wishing for FI, ABS, CD, MP3, Bluetooth but NOT the demise of the Venture.

[Snarley Bill]

heres my take.i think as soon as they get the bugs ironed out on the new v-max it will be introduced to compete with suzuki's new b-king.then look for a detuned version of the motor to go into a totally new from the ground up tourer with an aluminum frame,and shaft drive.and gold wing type styling.the big twin in the stratoliner is to archaic for the bikes of the future. it's going to remain exclusively their cruiser engine. remember where you heard this.i really think this is the most logical plan. got a feeling they would have done something sooner but this new v-max motor may be giving them a few problems.i'm sure they have alot banking on that motor and want it to be right on when they introduce it.

[Eck]

On the V4 issue. Didn't I just read about Yamaha supplying a auto manufacture with V4's for one of their hybreds or something along that line. That might keep the ol' V4 in the mix.... and maybe we'll get a few spin off hi-tech improvements??

 

 

Yep Condor ol buddy, you sure did read something about that..

I did too...here it is:

 

http://jalopnik.com/cars/notag/report-new-toyota-minicar-to-get-yamaha-motorcycle-engine-310755.php

[Condor]

Yep Condor ol buddy, you sure did read something about that..

I did too...here it is:

 

http://jalopnik.com/cars/notag/report-new-toyota-minicar-to-get-yamaha-motorcycle-engine-310755.php

 

 

Yeah, that's it!! Thanks Eck, I wasn't hallucinating after all......

[pegscraper]

MP3 players will be going by the wayside soon, and y'all will be using a thumb drive, like one of these.

 

Hey Squid, why don't you like an inline four? The last bike I rode before getting this one was an '81 XS1100, which has an I4. I thought that engine was pretty nice. It ran a lot smoother than our current V4.

 

The only thing I want in the next bike is more power. If the FJR 1300 can make 145 hp, then there's no excuse for our V4 1300 not to be making that much. We don't really need to have 1800 cubes to get more power. And if they do happen to give the Venture the new 1800, they'll probably detune it to where it's not making any more power than that anyway.

[BoomerCPO]

I don't care what they come out with. I'm happy as hell with my 06 and look forward to many years of great riding on her.

[Silver Bullet]

well since we are wishing and hoping..for me ..Iwish the new venture would come with a v8 chevy-auto tranny-and in a 3 wheel versen---lol:rotf::rotf:

[CrazyHorse]

I agree with WPREDOCK couldnt have said it better. I think there are 2 reasons your not seeing any advancements on the 2nd Gen. Either everything is great no need to make changes or a whole new bike is coming out (with the advancements many are asking for here) and why waste money on putting ABS, Fuel iinjection, MP3 on a bike (2nd Gen) that is going to fade into the susnet.

 

I think the development of the V4 1800 is very telling. I dont think this advanced motor is going on one bike. I think that V4 1800 will be detuned and go into be in a whole new techno advanced design tourer. I was reading an article about future motorcycle designs and it was saying that Harley will have to start changing things (Hence the Vrod just the begining of the changes liquid cooled motor designed by a high tech company) since their average age owner is getting older and older and that they are ignoring a much larger motorcycle market that is younger and more interested in techno gadgets instead of basically old technology. That the market for classic motorcycles gets smaller every year that the classic look appeals to fewer and fewer each year. Harley sales are down the markets flooded with classic looking bikes of all manufacuters. So I think your going to see maybe in a couple years a trend away from the classic look and more toward the Goldwing/Concours look.

[Condor]

The only thing I want in the next bike is more power. If the FJR 1300 can make 145 hp, then there's no excuse for our V4 1300 not to be making that much. We don't really need to have 1800 cubes to get more power. .

 

Nothing beats low end grunt like cubic inches.....

[noahzark]

. . . I was reading an article about future motorcycle designs and it was saying that Harley will have to start changing things (Hence the Vrod just the begining of the changes liquid cooled motor designed by a high tech company) since their average age owner is getting older and older and that they are ignoring a much larger motorcycle market that is younger and more interested in techno gadgets instead of basically old technology.

 

I didn't add this aspect to my original post because it was already too long, but if we OFs look over our shoulders, that bow-wave we see is the younger generation riders coming through the system. They weren't raised on Harleys, Indians, and the English cafe racers. They're the "Honda Generation" that expects the smoothness, the gadgetry, etc. of that style of bike. As we OFs thin out, so to speak, the big cube, noise makers--just like the muscle cars of our youth were replaced--will be replaced with whining 10KRPM crotch rockets.

 

Like I said earlier, I really like my 2nd Gen, but as long as it has two wheels (max 3), is open-air, and reliable, I'm not too picky.

[dynodon]

I don't understand why the need for a huge engine like an 1800?

 

the 1300 on my Royale has more power than I will ever need, even if I add a trailer and ride two-up.

 

I don't want a motorcycle that gets worse mileage than many cars.

 

I love the Gen I look, and wish Yamaha would make a true touring bike again instead of the cruiser style Gen 2 (or Ultra etc). I like the better protection of a full fairing and the lighter feel of nothing major on the handlebars.

 

Water cooling is best for summer cruising and engine life, and should be best for emissions too.

 

What does Yamaha offer in japan? I know big bikes over there are outrageously expensive and hard to license, but don't they offer something modern there?

 

I am looking at a BMW K1200 LT or maybe a wing. If I wanted a Harley, I would buy a Harley.

[Mariner Fan]

Fuel injection would be the major upgrade that would get me thinking of buying a new Venture. It amazes me how I can jump in my truck with 120,000 miles and it will start and idle smoothly every time, but I have to pull a manual choke on my brand new motorcycle and play with it to keep it idling.

 

I like the 1300 V-4 engine. The gear ratio's needs to be addressed and for crying out loud, get rid of the cassette player!

 

I also like the styling of the second gen bikes, though first generations are sharp as well.

[KiteSquid]

I think that the 3rd Gen Venture will get some of the fallout from the 2008 V-Max.

 

They already paid for the engineering... but they will probably de-tune it some.

[BoomerCPO]

Ok....After careful consideration I will consider getting a 3rd Generation RSV.....only if it comes with a nice cooler for cheesecake.