SilvrT Posted August 17, 2011 Share #51 Posted August 17, 2011 What is the point of all of this? People will do what they will do. You can't change them,they can't change you. It is what it is. enjoy the forum for what ever reason you joined. Let the rest go. It ain't worth it. JMO PS. love this place. The "point" simply is to express ourselves. Moreover, and in doing so, it is a way to learn about the folks here because this is our only medium of open communication. Personally, I enjoy reading such "banter" and being a participant. For the most part, nobody gets "hurt" in the process. This kind of discussion, along with everything else that gets posted is a part of my enjoyment ... it is not the reason I joined but rather, the reason I have stayed here since 2006 and read the threads and posts daily and participate regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryZ Posted August 17, 2011 Share #52 Posted August 17, 2011 But money is the root of all evil....... Here is proof that girls are evil . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2011 Share #53 Posted August 17, 2011 Here is proof that girls are evil . . . Yes, but a necessary evil...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddlebum Posted August 17, 2011 Share #54 Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Well put Don When you post a thread asking for prayers here, your asking everyone on the entire site for prayers. I disagree. I believe when someone asks for prayers they are simply asking of those who do believe in prayer and are willing to do so. I am more than sure that a good thought, or wishing one well, from those who are Athiest and/or do not believe in prayer, are just as welcome and appreciated. They certianly would be for me. I believe in mankind. I believe alot of our beliefs are from how we are raised or what the circumstances of our lives have instilled upon us. I believe that if you believe in God and feel you are a good Christian you respect and accept how others feel. I believe this holds true as well if you do not Believe in God, but feel you are a good Human Being you also accept and respect how others feel. Treat each other how you yourself want to be treated. Lastly I have always felt a joke is a joke. We joke about everything, tall people, short people, skinny people, fat people, politics, religion, nationality, skin color, hair color, short hair, long hair, no hair, good fortune, bad fortune, lifestyle, occupations, vehicales, animals, insects and the list goes on. There will always be someone who has to make a fuss. Personally I find the only real annoying thing in life are people who are always easily annoyed at something. As the saying goes If you can't laugh at yourself you have no right to laugh at others Edited August 17, 2011 by saddlebum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfVenture Posted August 17, 2011 Share #55 Posted August 17, 2011 Asking for Prayer is like Asking for VR Advise When I ask for advise on my 89 VR on this site I'm not asking every member for their 2 cents worth, I'm only asking advise from those who have advise that would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted August 17, 2011 Share #56 Posted August 17, 2011 Many here know I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and have been for almost 25 years. That means I take an active part in the door to door ministry. Trust me....when it comes to the pros and cons of discussing religion, I've probably heard it all. Very few we meet are willing to discuss the Bible, and MOST people disagree with our teachings. For example, we don't celebrate Christmas because we believe that the modern day Christmas celebration has very little to do with Jesus and is a compillation of traditions of pagan origins (i.e. the christmas tree, yule log, mistletoe etc) Now most of the western world DOES celebrate Christmas! Do I get upset if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas? NO! Because they are merely wishing me well. I look for the best in people, and expect the best intentions in whatever they say or do. To do anything else would be un-Christian! (sorry...couldn't resist!) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddlebum Posted August 17, 2011 Share #57 Posted August 17, 2011 Asking for Prayer is like Asking for VR Advise When I ask for advise on my 89 VR on this site I'm not asking every member for their 2 cents worth, I'm only asking advise from those who have advise that would be helpful. Yeh that to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburrell Posted August 17, 2011 Share #58 Posted August 17, 2011 +2 ! Yep what he said!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Posted August 17, 2011 Share #59 Posted August 17, 2011 I am agnostic. As such I really don't care about anyone's religion, I consider it their business, not mine. If someone asks for prayers I will send my best wishes. As for politics I have my opinions and vote for what I think is the best party at the time but am prepared to change my opinion and vote at any time and I consider that my business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV1100SE Posted August 17, 2011 Share #60 Posted August 17, 2011 Many here know I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and have been for almost 25 years. That means I take an active part in the door to door ministry. Trust me....when it comes to the pros and cons of discussing religion, I've probably heard it all. I have nothing against anyone for their belief's whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim. My feeling is that how you practice your religion or choice of religion is up to you. I just don't want someone coming to my door to discuss their beliefs. Just as I'm sure they wouldn't want me showing up at their door... usually at inconvenient times (why is it they come when I'm having dinner or just stepped in the shower?) for a political discussion about who I'm going to vote for or to discuss philosophy. If I choose to go to church that is up to me, including when/if I do so. No offense meant to any Jehovah's Witnesses on here (I have relatives that are Jehovah's Witnesses)... one thing my mother used to say when answering the door to a Jehovah's Witness who woke her up when she was on a night shift - "Sorry, I didn't see the accident". Or should that have been in the joke section? :-) To the Moderators - you guys do a great job ! Despite the Politics/Religious rules this thread has been allowed to continue. Probably due to the fact that there has been no mud slinging or arguements. Members have been civil in expressing their views and this is one of the great things about the members on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvrT Posted August 17, 2011 Share #61 Posted August 17, 2011 When you post a thread asking for prayers here, your asking everyone on the entire site for prayers. I disagree. I also disagree and for the life of me I couldn't find who originally posted that statement. What I do feel folks are asking for is not just for Prayers (from those who believe) but for empathy and well wishes from anyone who cares to give it. To some degree, a Prayer (in this context) is really a "hope" or a "wish" or a expression of feeling that is extended to someone in need that they will "pass over" that need, be well again, get back to work again, overcome their loss or disparity, etc, etc.... To make the statement "I Pray you will be well soon." .... does that suggest or say that I am a Religious person? I wonder... I am finding this thread extremely interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted August 17, 2011 Share #62 Posted August 17, 2011 I also disagree and for the life of me I couldn't find who originally posted that statement. What I do feel folks are asking for is not just for Prayers (from those who believe) but for empathy and well wishes from anyone who cares to give it. To some degree, a Prayer (in this context) is really a "hope" or a "wish" or a expression of feeling that is extended to someone in need that they will "pass over" that need, be well again, get back to work again, overcome their loss or disparity, etc, etc.... To make the statement "I Pray you will be well soon." .... does that suggest or say that I am a Religious person? I wonder... I am finding this thread extremely interesting! I find your look at it very interesting as well. It's really refreshing to know that someone can disagree yet in the same tone agree and not try to start an argument. :clap2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted August 17, 2011 Share #63 Posted August 17, 2011 To the Moderators - you guys do a great job ! Despite the Politics/Religious rules this thread has been allowed to continue. Probably due to the fact that there has been no mud slinging or arguements. Members have been civil in expressing their views and this is one of the great things about the members on here. But I'll bet that ALL of the moderators are keeping a close eye on this one with one finger on the trigger so to speak..... Unfortunately not all threads stay this civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1bummer Posted August 17, 2011 Share #64 Posted August 17, 2011 To the Moderators - you guys do a great job ! Despite the Politics/Religious rules this thread has been allowed to continue. Probably due to the fact that there has been no mud slinging or arguements. Members have been civil in expressing their views and this is one of the great things about the members on here. I totally agree. But on the other hand, I've read that there is a strict no religion and no politics rule here. Rules are meant to be followed, not bent. But for some reason prayers are readily accepted and even given a section in which to do so. It is in plain english right here http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=665&highlight=politics+religion+rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthandy Posted August 17, 2011 Share #65 Posted August 17, 2011 Yes, this is a very interesting thread and I really hope it's allowed to stay in place. I'm not sure this is a 100% religious discussion. It seems more of a comment on how we look at ourselves and others. I happen to be an atheist (And will continue to be one, God willing!) but I have no problem with members coming to the watering hole and asking for or offering prayers. As was mentioned earlier, it seems more of a request for empathy towards someone and I'm happy to join in, in my own way. It's discussions like this that set us apart from those who refuse to look at others' point of view and I think it helps us all understand each other a little better...and that's a good thing! And thanks to the moderators for allowing it to continue. I think they are taking a good view of the proceedings and are looking at it as a "town hall meeting" rather than an attempt to push a religious view or belittle someone else's view. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freebird Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share #66 Posted August 17, 2011 I guess in this case it boils down to what you consider "discussion". If you go back and read the first post of this thread, I think I addressed this issue. Maybe I just need to change the work "discussion" in the link that you posted to "debate" and that would make it a bit more clear. If somebody here is posting messages trying to convince another member to join their faith, that would be prohibited. If people are debating whether or not there is or is not a God, that would be prohibited. If people were debating on the validity of one religion as opposed to another, that would be prohibited. That would be a true discussion or debate. When I see that somebody is hurt or in a bad way and somebody finishes their post with a simple, "we'll keep you in our prayers"...that is just expressing a word of kindness, hope, spiritual help. It is NOT a discussion. It is a comment that doesn't require a response or answer. Folks, if you are offended by such comments, I am truly sorry that you feel that way. I mean that sincerely. I wish that nothing would ever be said here that a single one of you would find offensive. I know from several years of running this site though and another before this one that regardless of as many rules and regulations we could possibly establish, somebody is going to get offended over something. I have received a ton of emails and private messages over this issue not only recently but over the past few years and I can say without any doubt that the VAST majority of our members have no problem with the way this is handled. There are probably less than half a dozen members here who have mentioned even being remotely offended by somebody offering a simple prayer. I am truly sorry that even a single person is unhappy with this but I can tell you that it is not likely to change. I hope that it is something that those few who don't like it can overlook and just concentrate on those things here that they DO enjoy. If you absolutely can't do that though, just send me a PM or an email and I'll refund your dues in full. I don't want you to feel that way but this site is supposed to be enjoyable and if you come here and find something that makes you angry all the time, why the heck would you pay to be made to feel that way? I don't know how to put it any more clearly. I wish I had the ability to please all the people all the time but I have no illusions that it will ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryan52577 Posted August 17, 2011 Share #67 Posted August 17, 2011 I guess in this case it boils down to what you consider "discussion". If you go back and read the first post of this thread, I think I addressed this issue. Maybe I just need to change the work "discussion" in the link that you posted to "debate" and that would make it a bit more clear. If somebody here is posting messages trying to convince another member to join their faith, that would be prohibited. If people are debating whether or not there is or is not a God, that would be prohibited. If people were debating on the validity of one religion as opposed to another, that would be prohibited. That would be a true discussion or debate. When I see that somebody is hurt or in a bad way and somebody finishes their post with a simple, "we'll keep you in our prayers"...that is just expressing a word of kindness, hope, spiritual help. It is NOT a discussion. It is a comment that doesn't require a response or answer. Folks, if you are offended by such comments, I am truly sorry that you feel that way. I mean that sincerely. I wish that nothing would ever be said here that a single one of you would find offensive. I know from several years of running this site though and another before this one that regardless of as many rules and regulations we could possibly establish, somebody is going to get offended over something. I have received a ton of emails and private messages over this issue not only recently but over the past few years and I can say without any doubt that the VAST majority of our members have no problem with the way this is handled. There are probably less than half a dozen members here who have mentioned even being remotely offended by somebody offering a simple prayer. I am truly sorry that even a single person is unhappy with this but I can tell you that it is not likely to change. I hope that it is something that those few who don't like it can overlook and just concentrate on those things here that they DO enjoy. If you absolutely can't do that though, just send me a PM or an email and I'll refund your dues in full. I don't want you to feel that way but this site is supposed to be enjoyable and if you come here and find something that makes you angry all the time, why the heck would you pay to be made to feel that way? I don't know how to put it any more clearly. I wish I had the ability to please all the people all the time but I have no illusions that it will ever happen. Very good Boss!! Now if we can get down to some more serious stuff? Words that offend ME! ME would like everyone to stop using the words > "I" to personal, "AND" means you got more stuff, "THE" sounds to much like the, "HELLO" sometimes me just wants to say "hey", "HAPPY" me not always in a good mood, Now if we can all do this, it will make me very UNHAPPY! SO LETS HAVE FUN ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Speed limit is 70mph and me likes to ride 55mph so this offends me also, but me gots to live with it!!! Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myminpins Posted August 17, 2011 Share #68 Posted August 17, 2011 I hope that it is something that those few who don't like it can overlook and just concentrate on those things here that they DO enjoy. Absolutely!!! It definitely won't make me upset or not want to come here any more. I just like to add my two cents to discussions (whether people like it or not!! LOL) and voice my opinion. I'm a big proponent of agreeing to disagree. I think it's important, actually. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me but we can both agree, for example, that this is a wonderful site and such things definitely don't spoil it for me. Thank you for allowing us to voice our opinions and thank you for leaving this thread here. I think it's a great way to let everyone know how things work here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvrT Posted August 17, 2011 Share #69 Posted August 17, 2011 ...and I think we've beat this one around the bush long enuf .... so let's start another thread on "WHAT" ... (coz WHY has already been thrashed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myminpins Posted August 17, 2011 Share #70 Posted August 17, 2011 so let's start another thread on "WHAT" ... (coz WHY has already been thrashed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryan52577 Posted August 17, 2011 Share #71 Posted August 17, 2011 ...and I think we've beat this one around the bush long enuf .... so let's start another thread on "WHAT" ... (coz WHY has already been thrashed) Sorry that one offends me too, sounds to much like butt! :rotfl: :rotfl: JUST KIDDING!!!!!! Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvrT Posted August 17, 2011 Share #72 Posted August 17, 2011 Sorry that one offends me too My sole purpose in life is to serve as a bad example and offend people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJoe Posted August 17, 2011 Share #73 Posted August 17, 2011 You mean like "What do you like the most about religion?" or "What political party is gonna win in 2012?" Sorry Boss I just couldn't resist.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted August 17, 2011 Share #74 Posted August 17, 2011 I take offence at what. I think every one should think like me and how! I am a unique individual...just like everybody else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freebird Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share #75 Posted August 17, 2011 Well, hmmmmmmmmmm, I've met you and just have to say... You are NOT like everybody else. Hope you don't find that offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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