teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 #1 Posted April 30, 2011 After install and before replacing outer cover i tried pulling the clutch lever to see if all was working correctly is it normal at this stage to see nothing moving ie plates moving pressure plates moving. The clutch lever is hard as to squeeze in i reinstalled the original setup and still hard as way harder than before pulling down have i done somthing wrong here.I have not put completly back together yet as i dont want to destroy gasket untill sure. Awaiting a reply Thanks Terry
Carbon_One Posted April 30, 2011 #2 Posted April 30, 2011 Something is deffineately wrong if it still pulls hard and you see no movement in the clutch pack. Best to undo what you did and recheck/reinstall the clutch assembly to verify that you did or didn't get it right the first time. Larry
Condor Posted April 30, 2011 #3 Posted April 30, 2011 Take the pressure plate off and then gently pull the lever. You should be able to feel movement of the push rod with your finger. If you have no movement the problem could be the rods binding up to the master cylinder binding. If you do feel movement then it's in you clutch pack assembly. Chances are you don't have the pressure plate installed properly. Be careful removing the clutch cover and you should be able to reuse the gasket....
teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 Author #4 Posted April 30, 2011 At this stage all i had removed is the outer ring,spring and pressure plate and installed the Barnett clutch kit which does not require me to remove the clutch plates i will however remove the original setup and try again with the upgrade kit
teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 Author #5 Posted April 30, 2011 Removed pressure plate and spring and by pulling the clutch lever the push rod only moves about 1 mm should i remove the push rod or take off cover on opposite side and investigate why there is no movement how much should the pushrod move when pulling lever
teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 Author #6 Posted April 30, 2011 Put outer cover back on bled clutch but lever still will not come back to handlebar when pulled, start up bike ,as soon as put in gear bike stalls.NFI whats gone wrong here i assembled all to instructions HELP
Sleeperhawk Posted April 30, 2011 #7 Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) See #6 http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?p=178526#poststop Edited April 30, 2011 by Sleeperhawk
teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 Author #8 Posted April 30, 2011 Read your writeup Sleeperhawk but it does not solve the problem i believe the problem is in the Master cly as the clutch lever will not move at all ,when i tried bleeding it within the master cyl there is two holes if i pull the lever it appears to go into the hole closest to the lever then squirt out the other is this right? So much for a quick job them off for a ride been at this all day
Sleeperhawk Posted April 30, 2011 #9 Posted April 30, 2011 Read your writeup Sleeperhawk but it does not solve the problem i believe the problem is in the Master cly as the clutch lever will not move at all ,when i tried bleeding it within the master cyl there is two holes if i pull the lever it appears to go into the hole closest to the lever then squirt out the other is this right? So much for a quick job them off for a ride been at this all day I had the same exact issue, would not move at all. Did what all said too do, bleed the clutch. Been there done that. And because I missed one little statement in the instructions that came with the Barnett clutch It states: 4) Note: When installing the Barnett pressure plate you may have to rotate pressure Plate to index into proper position. In other words, you have to rotate the plate until the clutch lever works.
Sleeperhawk Posted April 30, 2011 #10 Posted April 30, 2011 Also, please read this thread. My history of the Barnett clutch upgrade. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?p=172372#poststop
teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 Author #11 Posted April 30, 2011 Read the info will have to wait till tomorrow to try its 5.45pm and dark as hell will let you know how i go.
Condor Posted April 30, 2011 #12 Posted April 30, 2011 If that's all you did was replace the pressure plate with the Barnet you have the Barnet plate installed wrong. Take a look at this page. It explains how the plate needs to be rotated until it seats down on the discs. It only fits one way. The OEM plate is marked where to seat it. The Barnet is not. The majority of the lever return pressure is generated by the pressure plate.
Sleeperhawk Posted April 30, 2011 #13 Posted April 30, 2011 If that's all you did was replace the pressure plate with the Barnet you have the Barnet plate installed wrong. Take a look at this page. It explains how the plate needs to be rotated until it seats down on the discs. It only fits one way. The OEM plate is marked where to seat it. The Barnet is not. The majority of the lever return pressure is generated by the pressure plate. Condor, now where were you when I posted about my troubles with the Barnett That was a very informative link.
Condor Posted April 30, 2011 #14 Posted April 30, 2011 Condor, now where were you when I posted about my troubles with the Barnett That was a very informative link. Sleeping... Sometimes it takes a while for the lightbulb to go on.....
Rick Haywood Posted April 30, 2011 #15 Posted April 30, 2011 WOW this couldn't have come at a better time for me, I plan on the Barnett Clutch spring install next week. I will follow the directions very closely as to avoid any problems
teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 Author #16 Posted April 30, 2011 Well morning has broken been at it for an hr all the clutch plates are alined tried rotating the Barnett pressure plate in every hole but it still wont go in far enough i still have the same gap, it appears the big gear inside the clutch plates needs to go in as in every position it fouls the PP face also the michined gears on the back of the PP do not appear to mesh with angthing.
Sylvester Posted April 30, 2011 #17 Posted April 30, 2011 Do you have a friction plate on the outside of the clutch assembly? There should be a clutch plate. Only reason I ask is that I put a clutch in a buddy's RSV and he gave me the discs and plates. I did not know that he had a new set of discs and we wound up with one too many friction plates (one being the original). Same symptoms as you speak of.
teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 Author #18 Posted April 30, 2011 There is a friction plate on the outside it does look like one is missing judging bythe gap but i havent removed these at all so what is there now was there before.
Freebird Posted April 30, 2011 #19 Posted April 30, 2011 Did you take a look at this thread? It is on a first gen but it shows step by step pictures of the Barnett install. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=491
teza51 Posted April 30, 2011 Author #20 Posted April 30, 2011 What plate should be on the outside that the Barnett PP bolts to at this stage i have a fiber plate but i havent removed these since start of job
Sleeperhawk Posted May 1, 2011 #21 Posted May 1, 2011 What plate should be on the outside that the Barnett PP bolts to at this stage i have a fiber plate but i havent removed these since start of job Take some pics and post them so we can see what you have. Did you put the OEM parts back on to see if the clutch works normal. You do not have to put cover on and do not start the bike. Lever and clutch should operate with OEM parts, if they do then the Barnett is not installed correctly.
teza51 Posted May 1, 2011 Author #22 Posted May 1, 2011 Going at last we have success it turned out that the slave cyl had bottomed out and not allowing the PP to go in far enough released the bleeder on the other side and bleed it by pushing the pushrod in after that it allowed the PP to move into the correct position and all is now working fine My thanks to all that contributed to this thread
Sleeperhawk Posted May 1, 2011 #23 Posted May 1, 2011 Going at last we have success it turned out that the slave cyl had bottomed out and not allowing the PP to go in far enough released the bleeder on the other side and bleed it by pushing the pushrod in after that it allowed the PP to move into the correct position and all is now working fine My thanks to all that contributed to this thread Glad you have success , so another quirk to installing the Barnett, sheeez .
teza51 Posted May 1, 2011 Author #24 Posted May 1, 2011 Im thinking that this might be a direct result of me pulling the clutch lever in without the PP attached and the springs in place
LilBeaver Posted May 1, 2011 #25 Posted May 1, 2011 Im thinking that this might be a direct result of me pulling the clutch lever in without the PP attached and the springs in place That makes a lot of sense. Glad you got it figured out!
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