Poor Mans Dyna Beads??

[dynodon]

Dingy, My tire store will rotate and balance my tires every 5000 or so miles. I have been doing this for years, and never have they done it that they didn't have to remove most of the weights and re-balance. Same machine etc. As tires wear, the weight balance can be thrown off easily. Plus stuff shifts around slightly inside the tires.

 

I have the Centramatic balancers on my Wing, and they make a noticable difference in smoothness. Yes, at low speeds, the weights are off for bead type or Centramatic type balancers, but at low speeds it doesn't make a difference. That is why you can't balance a tire at 10 mph! Plus wheel balancing machines balance at one specific RPM, and what is good for 50 mph may not be any good at all at 70. My Centramatics will take care of balance through any speed I care to go.

 

Finally, we have all had to ride on roads with repeating quick bumps. I can feel the Centramatics smooth those out on one particular road I have to ride all the time. Had years of feeling it without the balancers, and with them. Smoother now. Wild.

[Midrsv]

Centramatcs work on my Goldwing and before that dynabeads worked very well on my RSV for several years.

 

Dennis

[Venturous]

Use air-soft gun BB's. They won't rust. But you will need more of them to equal the 2oz most of our tires would need. Plus I think you would have to add them as the tire was mounted since i don't think they will go through the valve.

[dacheedah]

SS balls can be found. I agree that you would be better off balancing traditionally, butt http://www.precisionballs.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=27&gclid=CM7AuurNta4CFdEDQAoddBhLqA

[twigg]

If I were of the persuasion that Dyna Beads worked, I would simply want to know what is the benefit?

 

I mean .... Compared to the traditional method, that has worked for a long time now, they do seem to be expensive, and come with certain issues .... clumping, getting stuck in an air valve, needing to be replaced at a tyre change, to name four.

 

So what are the advantages?

 

By the way .... Don't want to make a meal of Gary hogging the spotlight but the one thing that probably isn't a concern is them pooling at the bottom when stopped. Out of balance conditions don't usually manifest until the wheel is rotating quite fast, and they should all be in their appointed position before then.

 

Oh, and I am all for finding cheaper solutions, so good thread!

[Venturous]

Another possibly better solution to dynabeads would be to use Ride-On Sealant ( http://www.ride-on.com/motorcycle-formula-mot.html ). Not only does it seal small punctures, it can also act as a high speed balancer. And I can confirm this stuff works for sealing punctures. I pulled a large nail from a tire with Ride-On with 3k miles on it and the tire held air well until I wore it out. For me, killing two birds with one stone is a better option.

[dingy]

By the way .... Don't want to make a meal of Gary hogging the spotlight but the one thing that probably isn't a concern is them pooling at the bottom when stopped. Out of balance conditions don't usually manifest until the wheel is rotating quite fast, and they should all be in their appointed position before then.

 

Oh, and I am all for finding cheaper solutions, so good thread!

 

 

Watch the video posted below, maybe you will see my point about pooling at the bottom and the need for the out of balance condition to manifest itself before the dyna beads can distribute them selves again to be effective.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq263AYgyYg]DynaBeads demo video - YouTube[/ame]

 

Gary

[twigg]

Okay Gary. point taken.

 

So, all controversy aside ... What are the advantages?

[flb_78]

As the tire wears, the beads will keep the tire in balance. The beads are reusable as well. Spoon the tire off, scoop the beads out, put them in the new tire.

[Kirby]

If I were of the persuasion that Dyna Beads worked, I would simply want to know what is the benefit?

 

I mean .... Compared to the traditional method, that has worked for a long time now, they do seem to be expensive, and come with certain issues .... clumping, getting stuck in an air valve, needing to be replaced at a tyre change, to name four.

 

So what are the advantages?

 

By the way .... Don't want to make a meal of Gary hogging the spotlight but the one thing that probably isn't a concern is them pooling at the bottom when stopped. Out of balance conditions don't usually manifest until the wheel is rotating quite fast, and they should all be in their appointed position before then.

 

Oh, and I am all for finding cheaper solutions, so good thread!

 

I've been using Dyna Beads for a couple of years now in both my bikes and have gotten good results. There's nothing wrong with the old method of balancing your tires. It, like you say, has worked for decades. As far as expensive is concerned.., what does it cost and how long does it take to balance a tire the old way? Dyna Beads can be installed through the valve stem upon mounting or thrown in before seating the beads by using the plastic bag(which weighs about as much as you breath) they come in, which is left open at one end. There's no adjusting the weights or anything like that unless you have a tire that is really bad out. Just put them in and forget them. You can only hear them if you have the bike turned off, and the bike up on a stand, while turning the tire(sshhh). The first time you hear them you might think that you brake pads are barely touching the disc. It's actually quieter than that.

Clumping?? Never had that problem, but then again I guess they would if you put some type of tire sealant in there with the beads. As a matter of fact I usually use a small hand vac and remove the beads when I change tires and reinstall them in the next tire. By reusing them the initial cost is nothing compared to having a shop do all this for you.

Getting stuck in an air valve? Yea, it might occasionally happen. It's happened to me once in the last 2 years. Remedy- Just check the pressure with the valve stem at some other position than 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock. The one time it happened with me, I decided to check the air while the valve stem was at 12 o'clock. If you have a compressor handy, just hit it with a shot of air and it will blow the bead out of the way.

These beads will never wear out! They are made of ceramic so they are very hard. After many uses from one tire to the next they still measure the same size as when they were first installed. I checked this out early on by using dial calipers. There is no "dusting" from the beads turning to smaller pieces. The inside of the tire doesn't show any sign of wear. They come out looking just like they did when put in.

Advantages? Ease of use, rebalance each time your tires are run, you don't have to worry about loosing a weight, and economical in the long run just to name four.

Disadvantage?? The only thing I can see is you can't use some type of tire sealant with them or certainly they will clump!

I'll never go back to the other method. Your findings may be different. They work for me.

Edited February 24, 2012 by Kirby

[Howard B]

bb's are actually copper coated steel. Being inside a tire they should not rust. Might be easier to have your tires balanced.

[twigg]

bb's are actually copper coated steel. Being inside a tire they should not rust. Might be easier to have your tires balanced.

 

The inside of a tyre is rarely dry.

 

Moisture is pumped in everytime you add air ... It will be worse in some locations than in others.

[bikenut]

First off the BB'S are way to big to give you a balance because they can not spread out enough inside the tire to balance it. The beads are very small and will spread out were needed and balance the tire much better then the BB'S. They might work but for $7.00 per tire Why try something that is not been test to work right. Also they are reusable for your next tire change. I use a small vac to suck them out of the old tire and but right back into the new tire I install.

Beads are all I use in my shop and have had no complants at all from anyone for the past 6 years i have been changing tires.

Have a great day

[bigbob]

OK, just for a minute let's all pretend we are in the camp that thinks Dyna Beads work. Wait for it...are we there yet? Good, Here goes.

 

Being a cheap bas$#&d, I was just wondering. If Dyna Beads work to ballance your tires, why wouldn't BBs work just as well at 1/10 the cost? Easier to recover and reuse in your next tire change too.

 

Of course they would have to be installed at the time of the change.

 

Just wondering. Opinions?

 

 

Last summer I installed 4 new tires on my car with 3 oz. of BBs in each tire. every time I changed speed it vibrated for a few seconds than smoothed out again till the next speed change.

Cost me $50.00 to get them taken out & reballanced on a machine.

Anybody want to buy 2.5# of BBs??

Ride safe Bob

Edited February 28, 2012 by bigbob
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