Removing Rear tire, greasing splines- what else?

[screamstone]

I've found a couple articles in here about greasing the rear splines and some hub pins... Will this be obvious when I take the rear wheel off? This will be my first time doing this kind of maintainance on a bike- but I've been doing more and more and seem to have managed to not break/ruin anything yet.

 

So when I take off the rear wheel (and I need to get a tire, too), do I also need to remove the pumpkin/differential?? Or is the stuff I need to grease all back there?

 

Also, do I need to replace some kind of oil seal when I just remove the rear tire, or is that only when I remove the pumpkin?

 

 

Sorry for the newbish questions... I'm kind of a motorcycle maintenace virgin.

 

Is there a pictoral wolk-through of this whole thing I should do when I have the tire off?

[Squidley]

Here are a couple of writeups in the tech library

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13263

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=515

If you have any questions or run into problems call me on my cell, it's in my profile.

[screamstone]

Those were perfect... I dunno how I missed those!! I did a search and didn't see those two...

 

So do I need to remove the rear differential? And if so, is that where the oil seal needs to be replaced that I saw in This thread?

 

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=41660&highlight=grease+splines

 

Or will I need the oil seal even if I don't take off the pumpkin?

 

 

BTW- she's a 2000 MM edition with almost 60K on her. I am not sure what maintenance was done here in the past... But she seemed to be welll taken care of.

 

 

 

 

rs

Edited May 17, 2010 by screamstone
Addees age and mileage

[Marcarl]

You should be alright just by removing the rear wheel, give what you see a thorough cleaning and then regrease the necessary parts. Use a good Moly grease though, not just axle grease.

[Kregerdoodle]

ya this........

 

 

 

Here are a couple of writeups in the tech library

 

 

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13263

 

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=515

 

 

If you have any questions or run into problems call me on my cell, it's in my profile.

[1BigDog]

Rob, go to your local Honda car or acura dealer and pick up one or two tubes of Honda Moly 60 lube. Best stuff you can buy. Wear nitrile gloves when using this stuff though.....unless you want to change the color of your hands to a nasty dark grey....LOL

[Gary N.]

Don't forget to check your rear brake pads for wear and if not too bad probably flip them side for side so you can get more even wear and longer life out of the inside pad. I do this at every rear tire change and/or about every 10 thousand miles too.

[tsigwing]

Rob, go to your local Honda car or acura dealer and pick up one or two tubes of Honda Moly 60 lube. Best stuff you can buy. Wear nitrile gloves when using this stuff though.....unless you want to change the color of your hands to a nasty dark grey....LOL

 

 

try spraying hair spray on your hands before you start working on the bike/car, makes cleaning them up later much easier.

[N3FOL]

I've found a couple articles in here about greasing the rear splines and some hub pins... Will this be obvious when I take the rear wheel off? This will be my first time doing this kind of maintainance on a bike- but I've been doing more and more and seem to have managed to not break/ruin anything yet.

 

So when I take off the rear wheel (and I need to get a tire, too), do I also need to remove the pumpkin/differential?? Or is the stuff I need to grease all back there?

 

Also, do I need to replace some kind of oil seal when I just remove the rear tire, or is that only when I remove the pumpkin?

 

 

Sorry for the newbish questions... I'm kind of a motorcycle maintenace virgin.

 

Is there a pictoral wolk-through of this whole thing I should do when I have the tire off?

 

Once you have removed your rear tire, you will need to pull out a circlip in order for you to pull the hub pins...clean and grease the pins and splines on the tire and pumpkin splines.

 

Then you can remove the 4 acorn nuts that holds the drive shaft in place...pull that straight out. Grease both ends of the drive shaft after cleaning and the pumpkin side where the shaft goes in. That link you posted has the part number listed in the thread for the oil seal. Your local Yamaha dealer can get it for you.

 

Keep on asking questions in this thread. This is how I gained confidence before I started tearing things apart. Regards.

[Sleeperhawk]

Once you have removed your rear tire, you will need to pull out a circlip in order for you to pull the hub pins...clean and grease the pins and splines on the tire and pumpkin splines.

 

Then you can remove the 4 acorn nuts that holds the drive shaft in place...pull that straight out. Grease both ends of the drive shaft after cleaning and the pumpkin side where the shaft goes in. That link you posted has the part number listed in the thread for the oil seal. Your local Yamaha dealer can get it for you.

 

Keep on asking questions in this thread. This is how I gained confidence before I started tearing things apart. Regards.

 

 

Why grease the end that is sitting in pumpkin oil?

Doesn't the grease contaminate the oil?

 

:confused24:

[RedRider]

Why grease the end that is sitting in pumpkin oil?

Doesn't the grease contaminate the oil?

 

:confused24:

 

Thank you for asking this. I have wondered this also.

 

BTW, how do you get the shaft out of the pumpkin? Last time the pumpkin was off the bike (about a month ago) I tried to pull the shaft out and it would not come. Didn't really yank on it too hard, but still.

 

RR

[Gary N.]

Why grease the end that is sitting in pumpkin oil?

Doesn't the grease contaminate the oil?

 

:confused24:

 

That end doesn't actually sit in the "pumpkin oil". Just did mine and it was pretty dry and dirty. I never replaced any seals. There's a big rubber one on the end of the drive shaft that goes into the rear end but it's re-useable unless it gets damaged some way pulling things apart.

There's also a big "O"ring on the hub that you'll see when you pull the drive pins out but it's re-useable too, unless damaged.

[Sleeperhawk]

That end doesn't actually sit in the "pumpkin oil". Just did mine and it was pretty dry and dirty. I never replaced any seals. There's a big rubber one on the end of the drive shaft that goes into the rear end but it's re-useable unless it gets damaged some way pulling things apart.

There's also a big "O"ring on the hub that you'll see when you pull the drive pins out but it's re-useable too, unless damaged.

 

Next time I grease things up, I will pull it out again and check, but it seemed oily to me the last time I pulled it out.

[bugfish69]

...BTW, how do you get the shaft out of the pumpkin? Last time the pumpkin was off the bike (about a month ago) I tried to pull the shaft out and it would not come. Didn't really yank on it too hard, but still...

 

Here's one way. Not that I'm recommending it.

 

1. Remove pumpkin and shaft

2. Clean and Grease end of drive shaft

3. Reinsert Pumpkin and shaft

4. Realize you did not insert the shaft properly and now drive shaft is bound up

5. Wiggle, Jiggle, and then pull real hard on the pumpkin

6. Fall back in surprise at what you are holding

7. Scratch you head and make a new plan. Don't worry about the grease in your hair you have bigger problems.

 

Don't ask me how I know.

 

By the way the gear on the pumpkin end of the shaft looked pretty oily to me.

[1BigDog]

Thank you for asking this. I have wondered this also.

 

BTW, how do you get the shaft out of the pumpkin? Last time the pumpkin was off the bike (about a month ago) I tried to pull the shaft out and it would not come. Didn't really yank on it too hard, but still.

 

RR

 

The shaft is pressed into the pumpkin. While my way of seperating may be a bit unorthodox it worked fine on my bike and another RSV. I removed the pumpkin and shaft as one. (drained of course) I then laid something thick and soft (like an old sofa pillow) on the floor. While seated and holding the shaft with the pumpkin just off the pillow I jerked on the shaft up and down hard, keeping the pumpkin close to the pillow (no more than 1 ft above). On the downswing, just as the pumpkin touches the pillow, give the shaft a hard upward pull with one swift jerk and the pumpkin should seperate, safely dropping into said pillow. There will be a small spring between the pumpkin end of the shaft and the pumpkin itself. This dampens any slop. DO NOT FORGET TO REINSTALL THIS SPRING!!!! DONT ASK HOW I KNOW THIS. Also, reinstall the properly greased shaft seperate fronm the pumpkin up into the yoke. Makes handling the shaft much easier.

 

Now, for all of you pervs...no jerk and shaft jokes please.......

[Gary N.]

Thank you for asking this. I have wondered this also.

 

BTW, how do you get the shaft out of the pumpkin? Last time the pumpkin was off the bike (about a month ago) I tried to pull the shaft out and it would not come. Didn't really yank on it too hard, but still.

 

RR

 

I found the easiest way to get it out of the pumpkin is to clamp the shaft in the bench vise (NOT ON THE SPLINES) and give a good tug on the pumpkin. The rubber grease seal is what makes it hard to get out. Re-installing the shaft into the front yoke before installing the pumpkin makes everything much easier too.

[KiteSquid]

Be sure to use Honda Moly60 grease on all the splines and the drive pins on the "Clutch Hub" that connects the final drive to the rear wheel.

[screamstone]

Hmm... so since I've never done this, I'm a tad confused still...

 

when I take off the tire, I can remove the pumpkin with 4 acorn nuts... when I pull that off- I get the pumpkin with a shaft sticking out if it... I just can grease that and re-insert it?

 

I don't think I want to take the shaft out of the pumpkin...

 

and I'm not sure I even want to take the pumpkin off unless it's a really good idea for a total newb to do. I figure I can wait until another maintenance day or when I have an experienced VR with me. This will be my first real maintenance other than oil/lights. I don't know anyone close who can supervise, so I'm really on my own and a tad nervous...

 

 

rs

[Sleeperhawk]

Hmm... so since I've never done this, I'm a tad confused still...

 

when I take off the tire, I can remove the pumpkin with 4 acorn nuts... when I pull that off- I get the pumpkin with a shaft sticking out if it... I just can grease that and re-insert it?

 

I don't think I want to take the shaft out of the pumpkin...

 

and I'm not sure I even want to take the pumpkin off unless it's a really good idea for a total newb to do. I figure I can wait until another maintenance day or when I have an experienced VR with me. This will be my first real maintenance other than oil/lights. I don't know anyone close who can supervise, so I'm really on my own and a tad nervous...

 

 

rs

 

When you come up this way, I will show how to do this.

[KiteSquid]

Hmm... so since I've never done this, I'm a tad confused still...

 

Have you downloaded and read the service manual????????

 

 

It is FREE!!!!!!

[Dusty]

Thanks for this post. Once again lots of good information on this forum. I have pulled the wheels several times to change tires, but I always check this site for the reference before I start...just in case my old memory has forgotten something!

 

I am just waiting for my new tire to be put on the rim and to pu the molly 60 paste from the Honda dealer. In the meantime I have pulled the drive shaft from the front coupling and the pumpkin...no problem. Everything has been cleaned ready for assembly.

 

On re-assembly I have a couple of questions;

1. Would it be easier to install the drive shaft in the front and then insert it into the pumpkin last. I have never pulled the shaft out of the pumpkin before, but I remember it being pretty tough to get the shaft into the front coupling. Note: The pumpkin end of the shaft was completely dry!
   
2. How hard is it to get the shaft seal back into the pumkin? I plan to lube it with a little oil or grease.
   
3. I am also waiting for leveling links from DR. Any information on lubricating the shock linkage or other parts of that assembly? I know there are some bearings etc that should be lubricated, just not sure of the procedure.
   

[KiteSquid]

On re-assembly I have a couple of questions;

[*]Would it be easier to install the drive shaft in the front and then insert it into the pumpkin last.

 

That is the way you have to do it and the service manual tells you to do it that way.

 

There is a little grey rubber plug on the top of the swing arm above where the front splines of the drive shaft engage the splines of the universal joint. Pull this plug out, and put retrieval magnet in to lift the end of the universal joint to make engaging the splines essayer.

 

I have never pulled the shaft out of the pumpkin before, but I remember it being pretty tough to get the shaft into the front coupling.

 

It took me 30 minutes to do it the first time, now I can do it in less than two..... practice and a good magnet help.....

 

Note: The pumpkin end of the shaft was completely dry!

 

Mine had very little grease on from the factory too....... Honda Moly60 should be applied sparingly....

 

[*]How hard is it to get the shaft seal back into the pumkin? I plan to lube it with a little oil or grease.

 

easy.... I put a few drops of the synthetic gear oil that I used in the final drive.

 

[*]I am also waiting for leveling links from DR. Any information on lubricating the shock linkage or other parts of that assembly? I know there are some bearings etc that should be lubricated, just not sure of the procedure.

 

I have not done this so I cannot comment.

[Dusty]

One more question, just because it doesn't make sense to me.

I read that I should lube the final drive end of the shaft with Moly 60 and I understand that. But why is there an oil seal on the pumpkin end of the drive shaft if those gears don't sit in the rear pumpkin oil? Is it really a dust seal or does this spline need both lubricants?

[N3FOL]

Hmm... so since I've never done this, I'm a tad confused still...

 

 

 

I don't think I want to take the shaft out of the pumpkin...

 

and I'm not sure I even want to take the pumpkin off unless it's a really good idea for a total newb to do. I figure I can wait until another maintenance day or when I have an experienced VR with me. This will be my first real maintenance other than oil/lights. I don't know anyone close who can supervise, so I'm really on my own and a tad nervous...

 

When I pulled my pumpkin to take the drive shaft out, the drive shaft on the pumpkin end was the first one to separate. So it is highly likely to be able to pull the drive shaft out of the pumpkin.

 

Nothing to be worried about...read the instructions that is in this forum very well and take it step by step. Just make sure you have a descent jack to lift the bike up and remain stable up in the air. As said before, plenty of help in this forum. Good Luck.

[KiteSquid]

One more question, just because it doesn't make sense to me.

I read that I should lube the final drive end of the shaft with Moly 60 and I understand that. But why is there an oil seal on the pumpkin end of the drive shaft if those gears don't sit in the rear pumpkin oil? Is it really a dust seal or does this spline need both lubricants?

 

The gear oil in the filnal drive do not get on the splines in my 2007 RSV.........

 

Every time I have opened it up.......

 

Now if I were to lay it on the left hand side it would get there.