YamaDude Posted April 7, 2010 #1 Posted April 7, 2010 I'm not real happy with my self canceling turn signals on my Royal Star from what I've read on other threads I don't think there is anything wrong with them. They just seem to cancel too soon or too late if I have to turn them on a second time. Maybe I will get use too the way they work as I've only had the bike a couple of weeks, but anybody else noticed they are a little quirky?
Sleeperhawk Posted April 7, 2010 #2 Posted April 7, 2010 I have no problem with them, like them just as they are.
awsmsrv Posted April 7, 2010 #3 Posted April 7, 2010 Yeah, they're based on distance and/or time. I don't remember exactly what the numbers are, but, I do know that if you stop and/or keep the brake on, they'll keep flashing until you reach that given amount of time or distance (once you go again). Since I went to all LEDs, I replaced my turn signal module with a no load one, therefore, no auto-cancel. I actually prefer it because I like to signal a little earlier on the bike than in the cage. Now they don't turn off before I'm ready to turn them off. Personal preference. YMMV.
LilBeaver Posted April 7, 2010 #4 Posted April 7, 2010 (edited) I don't like the way they work either. I've had my bike for not quite a year (but have put on 15k miles or so and ride daily). I came to the RSV from an 82 GW and my wing would cancel the signal after turning the bars - which seemed to be a nice arrangement. Downside was that it wouldn't always cancel on its own (ie lane changes weren't enough to cancel it). But, I much rather have it on longer than necessary than turn it on as approaching an intersection, then realize while I'm going to turn left, that it turned itself off (although I have gotten in the habit of looking down to make sure it is still on, or turning it off and back on to ensure it is on when it should be). I have considered trying to come up with a way to disable it, but haven't really put that much time and effort into it yet (and probably won't). I'm certainly interested to hear what others think about theirs too. Good question I believe the manual says .25 mile or 15 seconds of motion. Edited April 7, 2010 by LilBeaver
slick97spirit Posted April 7, 2010 #5 Posted April 7, 2010 love em. used to forget to turn mine off on a prior bike and that can be very dangerous if your coming up on an intersection and they think your gonna turn and you don't.
Scooter Bob Posted April 7, 2010 #6 Posted April 7, 2010 I always wished mine would stay on longer too. I usually hit it a second time a little closer to the turn (before they cancel the first time). Later, Scooter Bob
SilvrT Posted April 7, 2010 #7 Posted April 7, 2010 Even though I have them, I'm just in the habit of cancelling them myself after completing a turn. The odd occasion that I don't, I notice they tend to stay on longer than I'd like (after completing the turn). As for them cancelling themselves before I make the turn, that never seems to bother me. I check them anyway and re-activate them if needed.
Brake Pad Posted April 7, 2010 #8 Posted April 7, 2010 I always turn mine off, after making a turn. or doing a lane change, I don't let them continue to blink
frogmaster Posted April 7, 2010 #9 Posted April 7, 2010 love em. used to forget to turn mine off on a prior bike and that can be very dangerous if your coming up on an intersection and they think your gonna turn and you don't. Agree 1000% above :shock3: ..... but would like to see them ADD a Country / City Mode that is Variable like delayed windshield wiper.
MiCarl Posted April 7, 2010 #10 Posted April 7, 2010 I always wished mine would stay on longer too. I usually hit it a second time a little closer to the turn (before they cancel the first time). Later, Scooter Bob Me too. You shouldn't have to turn off to do it, just tapping it again resets the counters (at least on 1st gen). I always turn mine off, after making a turn. or doing a lane change, I don't let them continue to blink Me too. Come to think of it, I'm always overriding the thing one way or the other. I don't think I'd disable it though. It does prevent me from initiating the dreaded "eventual left".
Cougar Posted April 7, 2010 #11 Posted April 7, 2010 Since you brought this up.... I am removing my NON-CANCELING unit this weekend that I just got from Custom Dynamics. it was on 15 bucks. so if you really want one I have one! What I am finding is that now (once in a while) I might have driven 10 miles before I noticed them still on.. this in return ONE DAY will make a cage think that I want to make a turn and the cage will slam right into me causing a terrible accident one day. and those are my thoughts about that. I would most likely keep it on if I could maybe hear a tone that they are on. but in the day light I do not see the blinking very well on the dash. I added them , as I felt the same way, the factory cancel turns off way to soon. Jeff
jfoster Posted April 7, 2010 #12 Posted April 7, 2010 Don't really care for them....I usually have to override them after I make a turn. I wish I had hazards in my RSTD instead.
straycatt Posted April 7, 2010 #13 Posted April 7, 2010 The Venture is the first scoot I've had with self canceling blinkers, and I love it. Even though I do cancel them some times myself. Custom Dynamics has several programmable flasher units if your interested in something different. http://customdynamics.com/loadequalizer.htm
Zfrebird4 Posted April 7, 2010 #14 Posted April 7, 2010 Mine seem to work on a timer, and perhaps distance is involved; don't know. I turn mine on and off for lane changes as I do not want to give mixed signals. I also watch mine VERY carefully in heavy town traffic. To make sure they stay on in a turn I hit mine at least once or twice in my turn, and more if I am sitting at a turn light . On the open road I am not the least concerned how long they remain on after a turn or a lane change. I figure the longer the better. My 2Cents worth. JackZ and the pint! USE THEM!!
Chinto Posted April 7, 2010 #15 Posted April 7, 2010 Since our turn signals are distance based instead of turned based like on cars I assume the distance set by Yamaha follows the average State's rules of the road. I have included the rules for Illinois regarding turn signal usage below: Signaling In a business or residential area you must give a continuous turn signal for at least 100 feet before turning. In other areas the signal must be given at least 200 feet before turning. Drivers may signal in two ways: Electrical turn signals Apply the right turn signal for a right turn and the left turn signal for a left turn. Hand and arm signals While I have not actually measured the distance my signal is active, I would bet it is at least 200 - 300 feet of actual signal distance. So depending at what distance you actuate the signal you will be short at 500 feet and long at 100 feet. I try to guess around 250 feet so the signal cancels just after I complete the turn. Sometimes my guess is perfect other times not so much. It is a little game I play cause I have a bit of a distance perception problem.
Flyinfool Posted April 7, 2010 #16 Posted April 7, 2010 It sees that there is a split between the being to long or to short, This means that it is probably about right. i read a post some where on here that someone replaced the dash flasher bulbs with some LED bulbs and they were easy to see in full sunlight.
gunboat Posted April 7, 2010 #17 Posted April 7, 2010 after rideing my used '99 rsv for over 4 years i don't think about it anymore. but when my son joe took his m/c rideing test on my bike. the texas driver license person, counted points off his test grade for not turning off the turn signals soon enough. i did not even try to explanen how they work on the rsv. joe was kinda mad about it but it was only a couple of points off a good test score. don c.
barend Posted April 8, 2010 #18 Posted April 8, 2010 signals are distance based, mine don't self cancel without the speedo cable and i hate it, I'd rather reset the signal than forget to turn the darn thing off. Besides if you pay attention you kind of know where to turn them on to have them stay on through the turn, or where/when you have to hit it again
Freebird Posted April 8, 2010 #19 Posted April 8, 2010 They only turn off automatically if you turn them on above a certain speed. Otherwise, they are manual.
Carbon_One Posted April 8, 2010 #20 Posted April 8, 2010 Yeah, they're based on distance and/or time. I don't remember exactly what the numbers are, but, I do know that if you stop and/or keep the brake on, they'll keep flashing until you reach that given amount of time or distance (once you go again). Since I went to all LEDs, I replaced my turn signal module with a no load one, therefore, no auto-cancel. I actually prefer it because I like to signal a little earlier on the bike than in the cage. Now they don't turn off before I'm ready to turn them off. Personal preference. YMMV. Got a link for that signal module? Switched to all leds myself and want to slow down the flash rate. While I do like the self cancelling feature I'll give it up if need be Larry
bkuhr Posted April 8, 2010 #21 Posted April 8, 2010 10 sec or 150 meters (490 feet) which ever is longest, per 83 manual
E-Fishin-C Posted April 8, 2010 #22 Posted April 8, 2010 Be happy .....you folks.... you have that...... luxury option..... how would you like to use you arm for signalling instead ...Better yet... how many of you know the proper technique in making a left and right turn with your arm
jfoster Posted April 8, 2010 #23 Posted April 8, 2010 There like having an incorrect speedometer...your always lookin at it wondering whats its going to do, annoying.
SilvrT Posted April 8, 2010 #24 Posted April 8, 2010 Since our turn signals are distance based instead of turned based like on cars I assume the distance set by Yamaha follows the average State's rules of the road. I have included the rules for Illinois regarding turn signal usage below: Signaling In a business or residential area you must give a continuous turn signal for at least 100 feet before turning. In other areas the signal must be given at least 200 feet before turning. Drivers may signal in two ways: Electrical turn signals Apply the right turn signal for a right turn and the left turn signal for a left turn. Hand and arm signals While I have not actually measured the distance my signal is active, I would bet it is at least 200 - 300 feet of actual signal distance. So depending at what distance you actuate the signal you will be short at 500 feet and long at 100 feet. I try to guess around 250 feet so the signal cancels just after I complete the turn. Sometimes my guess is perfect other times not so much. It is a little game I play cause I have a bit of a distance perception problem. Here in my part of the world, it would seem that the rule is... when turning or lane changing, it is necessary that your signal light flashes at least once ... doesn't matter if it's before the turn/lane change, during, or after it. If it doesn't flash at least once, no biggie coz by the time you would have flashed it, you've already made the turn/lane change and everyone behind you now knows what you're doing/did anyway.
SilvrT Posted April 8, 2010 #25 Posted April 8, 2010 Be happy .....you folks.... you have that...... luxury option..... how would you like to use you arm for signalling instead ...Better yet... how many of you know the proper technique in making a left and right turn with your arm When I want her to turn right, I tug on her right arm... for left, tug on her left arm...
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