CD and Cassette replacement

[Kirby]

Does anyone have any personal experience with one of these? Right now I'm using an mp3 player, but it's kinda hard to ride and change songs with the player, but if I understand this right, this will play and be controlled through the handlebar controls. Wonder could it be adapted to the RSV? I thought it would be kinda cool!

 

http://www.jmcorp.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=JMDM-GL18&PF=32

[friesman]

I noticed that unit on sale at wingstuff for 99 bucks if youre interested. BUT, read the reviews on the bottom of the page before you buy, most isnt very complimentary.

 

http://wingstuff.com/pgroup_detail/40_Home_Monthly_Specials/29640_J_M_GL1800_Accessory_Digital_Music_Player_Changer/?goto=%2Findex.php

 

Brian

[Bummer]

Does anyone have any personal experience with one of these? Right now I'm using an mp3 player, but it's kinda hard to ride and change songs with the player, but if I understand this right, this will play and be controlled through the handlebar controls. Wonder could it be adapted to the RSV? I thought it would be kinda cool!

 

http://www.jmcorp.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=JMDM-GL18&PF=32

 

Nope. Wrong system format.

 

There's a short discussion of the Venture audio system here.

[Kirby]

Thanks for all the input you all. I was just hoping to get better use of the system already on my bike. I just have an mp3 player velcroed to the take and have to take it off at every stop when I leave the bike as well as the gps unit. This is further aggravated by having to look down to change songs. This time of year is bad anyway with the use of gloves. Thanks again guys.

[cb1313]

Get a MP3 player remote. If you have a Ipod there are many different types. BUT....some only work with a certain model so becareful whict one you buy. Ebay has a number of mp3 remote. I have my remote valcroed on my left handle bar and have a piece of string hung to the mirrow just in case it starts to fall off.

Also works in the car and at home.

 

Cn

[Kirby]

I posted this question directly to the one in the above advertisement and this was the response I got.

 

 

 

 

We do not yet offer one for the Yamaha ,,, but in theory it should work ,,,,,,,

 

I have just not yet found anyone who can drop their bike off at our shop for a week or so, so that we can find out ,,,,,,,

 

Hope you have a good week ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

 

John Lazzeroni

 

J&M® Corporation

1415 South Cherry Avenue

Tucson AZ 85713

800-358-0881

Audio@Jmcorp.com

www.Jmcorp.com

 

Wonder if someone in that area can help us out??????????

[Bummer]

I'll be happy to be wrong.

 

According to what I've read Clarion dropped C-BUS and went to CeNet format after 1998. I can't imagine a new 'Wing having a ten year out of date audio communications format.

 

Still, if J&M whips one up I'll be interested in hearing about it.

[Kirby]

I'll be happy to be wrong.

 

According to what I've read Clarion dropped C-BUS and went to CeNet format after 1998. I can't imagine a new 'Wing having a ten year out of date audio communications format.

 

Still, if J&M whips one up I'll be interested in hearing about it.

 

 

That's what I be thinking too!

[Bummer]

I posted this question ...

Your profile is set to not receive PMs so I couldn't respond directly.

 

I posted a question on the Uniq Technology web site. The question's there and I got an email thanking me for posting it. No response, though.

 

I sent an email to Bike MP3 but haven't heard anything from them at all.

Edited February 18, 2010 by Bummer

[cb1313]

If you have a Classic Ipod you can find a remote at Wal Mart for $30. It's over by the auto strereo installation stuff. Works only for the Clasic. There are a lot of other remotes for MP3 players, start at Ebay to see what out there . I have been using mine for 5 years in the car, boat and motorcycles. I have on the looks like a large watch and works both my Classic and Video Ipods.

 

Cb

[slick97spirit]

Get a MP3 player remote. If you have a Ipod there are many different types. BUT....some only work with a certain model so becareful whict one you buy. Ebay has a number of mp3 remote. I have my remote valcroed on my left handle bar and have a piece of string hung to the mirrow just in case it starts to fall off.

Also works in the car and at home.

 

Cn

 

I bought a Timex digital watch that will remotely control an mp3 device. I comes with a receiver that plugs into the charging dock and the watch then controls the ipod. Cool

[Kirby]

Ok guys, after talking to the sales rep for the following website for a few days about something that will work on our bikes here is his reponse. I need your input on this. Especially those of you who are more electrically saavy.

 

 

 

 

http://www.bikemp3.com/GL1800-Digital-Music-Player-All-In-One-With-Enhanced-Audio-HGW-IPD-V1A.htm

 

Initial request:

I asked: I have a 2009 Yamaha royal Star Venture and am looking for a

product such as this to replace my CD changer. Can you help??

 

 

After much corespondence:

He responded: Hi Michael

My thoughts are that our initial offering will be our V1 unit which is our

most popular for the GL1800. I am pretty confident that your radios are

nearer industry standard than the GL1800 unit so we should not see some of

the communication issues seen with that bike. (About 30 units in 1200) As

I

said retail will be increased due to the extra interface required so a

budgetary retail will be $159.99 delivered in the lower 50. Although after

testing I may be open to doing a group buy at a lower figure if we can get

the numbers up.

 

http://www.bikemp3.com/GL1800-Digital-Music-Player-All-In-One-With-Enhanced-Audio-HGW-IPD-V1A.htm

Loading/programming will be exactly the same for your bike here is a video

for the GL1800 basically the same. (see the section after the

installation)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty0QMLUc5RE

 

Installation method needs to be confirmed once I can get hands on but

should

be almost identical as the GL1800 with the obvious location changes but

should be plug and play.

 

Operation again will be like your current CD changer or very similar and

depending on the programming of the bikes radio I am hoping to make the

AUX

input on our unit active on your bike, if this is the case I may also be

able to offer a built in Bluetooth capability.

 

At the present all this is subject to getting hands on a bike and trying

things, I am hoping to have hardware in hand to try within weeks and will

need a cross section of owners (say 6) with different vintage bikes

willing

to install and test for us (Obviously they get to keep the final

production

units)

 

First up I will need a cooperative local owner who I will need to visit a

few times and is mechanically comfortable with the workings of his machine

and does not mind installing and uninstalling a few times.

 

So really the ball is in the court of the owners I am willing to take on

the

project if they want it and I know from past experience testers are not

normally shy in coming forwards, although the local guy needs to be a

little

more into things

 

 

Regards

 

Pete

BikeMP3

[LilBeaver]

Wow, sounds pretty sweet!

 

I am very interested to get, use, test, etc., but sadly ~160 is way out of my price range .

 

Thanks for doing the legwork on this though!!

Hopefully you can find enough folks to make it happen!

[Owen]

Ok guys, after talking to the sales rep for the following website for a few days about something that will work on our bikes here is his reponse. I need your input on this. Especially those of you who are more electrically saavy.

 

 

 

 

Ok... I have been looking into the audio system on the venture. What I know is that the sub-units are connected to one another on a C-Bus. This is a common commercial communications bus that allows the system components to talk to each other. Each has a small micro chip that handles 'handshake and control' between the units. this is why you cannot simply plug an mp3 player into the end of the cd changer cable and expect it to work. It works something like this, when you select 'CD' on the control, the control sends a command to the CD asking its status. CD responds with 'I'm here and ready'. The controller sends 'Play', the CD confirms command and the CD micro takes over the play function. It is this C-Bus communication standard that makes everything in the system work, CD-Cassette-FM-CB etc. I have not yet confirmed that the Hondas use the standard C-Bus or not.

I am familiar with C-Bus communication schemes although not so much in audio systems. I can certainly test a prototype and provide technical feedback.

Edited March 10, 2010 by Owen

[FreezyRider]

Well, I'm not local, but I would certainly volunteer to be a tester. I wouldn't mind at all having to install/uninstall/etc.

 

Looks like something I'd want!

[Kirby]

Thanks ya'll. I hoping someone that's located near Lakeland , FL will chime in because this guy is willing to work with us to try to come up with a "modern" improvement to our "aged" design. I like the idea of a unit that can be locked up in a saddlebag or trunk so you do have to worry so much about someone stealing it or having to remove it if you're out shopping somewhere. Also it would turn off and back on again with the ignition and be accessible through the audio system much like the CD changer, only it won't skip, and it would hold a ton more of music. I could myeslf ride down there on the weekends, but that is about 450 miles from here. But if I knew for sure we could get this accomplished without me losing my job, I'd go down there and camp out on his doorstep. This is something I think all who own this bike would benefit from, not to mention future owners.

[Kirby]

This message was just sent to me from the sales rep. He tried to post it himself but was unable to do so.

 

Michael

 

I tried to post the following on the board but cannot seem to log in

 

Hi All

 

My name is Pete I run BikeMP3.com we are the originators of the GL1800 MP3

players that you have seen around nearly all the companies you see selling

them originally came through us, however most are now buying factory direct.

There is us and Uniq Technology who we work very closely with who to my

knowledge are actively involved with further development of these products.

If you look on the GL1800 board you can reference us there so you know who I

am and how I work.

 

I have to say that you all seem to be well informed of the specifics of the

audio system on your bikes, I really wish it had been this easy when I did

the GL1800.

 

The GL1800 system is not compatible with the Yamaha in fact its almost not

compatible with itself hence some of the issues you may of read about.

 

In terms of your bikes we have a much better chance of an almost flaw free

solution, I say almost because what you must understand is that anything we

get to work will be a workaround solution, your audio system dates from

before the arrival of MP3 and was never designed to accommodate an MP3

player or the advanced functionality that we have all come to expect from

one, such as TEXT, PLAYLISTS etc.

 

That said there is a good chance that we can get a MP3 player to mimic the

CD changer, now how may DISC/FOLDER/FILE combinations we can get it will

depend on the radio, I am thinking it will be minimum 6 FOLDER with 99

TRACKS in each but as with the GL1800 that could turn into 999 FOLDERS with

999 TRACKS the only limitation being the display.

 

As has you have identified your audio system is Clarion and communicates

via a BUS system called C-BUS this has been replaced by Clarion with CeNET

now they have added some legacy support and manufacture a convertor unit

however that unit is only designed to allow the use of a C-BUS CD changer

with a CeNET radio it will not work for our purpose as we need the reverse

of this process.

 

I have spoken to my factories and other sources nobody at this time makes

anything that will directly work or convert C-BUS to CeNET although most

have addressed CeNET directly.

 

Let us explore the options.....

 

Try to program one of the current units that we have to work with C-BUS,

well that cannot happen as most of the modern protocols are pretty similar

or close enough that the communication chips in the unit can handle multiple

protocols in the same unit, unfortunately C-BUS is not one of them.

 

Have one of our manufacturers make a dedicated production run of units with

C-BUS compatible communication chips, For this to be viable we are going to

have to guarantee and pay for 5000+ units to be made, which I don't think in

the short term is a good business decision as the take up on the GL1800 unit

thus far between all the companies selling it worldwide I still don't think

has hit that number, hence why some of the glitches with the current

production units are tolerated until sales volume increases.

 

My choice for this project would be to "Translate" C-BUS to another protocol

that our MP3 player can understand, this would mean a second small unit

along the length of the connection cable, now as luck would have it I do

have such a design sitting waiting for a project like this that I can bring

to life, it would make the cost of the units to a package price of not more

than $160 delivered most of the GL1800 units can be bought for between $95

and $170

 

So really the ball is in your court so to speak I am willing to get the

prototypes together and let them be tested, I would need a local bike with a

willing owner to help out, and I would need feedback from owners to know if

this is a product you would want and use.

 

Thanks for reading and ride safe

 

Pete

BikeMP3.com

[Owen]

I did not verify protocol commands to guarantee the Bus version but from what I can surmise from some data I have found is that it is the older C-Bus commonly in use in the late 80's to early 90's era. Maybe one of our local members or local dealers can get their hands on the control unit from behind the faring and a control head with cable. If not the cable then I could figure out the pin out of the cable and we could send it all to these guys. If he had one on hand it would make it much easier to work on the project.

:think:

[Owen]

My choice for this project would be to "Translate" C-BUS to another protocol

that our MP3 player can understand, this would mean a second small unit

along the length of the connection cable, now as luck would have it I do

have such a design sitting waiting for a project like this that I can bring

to life, it would make the cost of the units to a package price of not more

than $160 delivered most of the GL1800 units can be bought for between $95

and $170

 

 

Thanks for reading and ride safe

 

Pete

BikeMP3.com

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This is more along the lines I was looking at. Trans code the C-Bus to something else. I have PIC and Micro programming back ground and work on old C-Bus based systems, but not to this level. It's a bit over my head.

[Kirby]

I did not verify protocol commands to guarantee the Bus version but from what I can surmise from some data I have found is that it is the older C-Bus commonly in use in the late 80's to early 90's era. Maybe one of our local members or local dealers can get their hands on the control unit from behind the faring and a control head with cable. If not the cable then I could figure out the pin out of the cable and we could send it all to these guys. If he had one on hand it would make it much easier to work on the project.

:think:

 

 

That's a great idea Owen!! Now all we need is to find someone that has one laying around..., maybe one from a wrecked bike??? Anybody?????

[Kirby]

Just thought I'd bump this back up because it's new from #12 post. Some might be interested.

[KiteSquid]

For that price, I'll just spend a few dollars more and get a GPS with a built in MP3 Player.....