Blackjack Posted October 2, 2009 #1 Posted October 2, 2009 Well, here it is: 2010 Star line: http://tinyurl.com/2010-Star For the sake of comparison, here's the 2009 offering: http://tinyurl.com/2009-Star No RSTD New Stratoliner Deluxe, no "plain" Stratoliner no Roadliner Midnight no "plain" Roadstar upgraded 1300 Tourer no "plain" 1300 no 1100s, at all no Warriors There are some pricing changes on all models, some more modest than others. TERRY
Yammer Dan Posted October 2, 2009 #2 Posted October 2, 2009 Over 19 for a venture?? Getting up there. Retirement check don't look that good.Another reason to get into my 1st gen parts.
Squidley Posted October 2, 2009 #3 Posted October 2, 2009 Unless they have lost their minds, there is no way I am spending almost 20K on a Venture. Hate to say it, but now your in the price range of a full dresser H/D and folks aren't going to pay that kind of money for a antiquatedly accesorized bike...sorry to say it but it's the truth
loosebiker Posted October 2, 2009 #4 Posted October 2, 2009 Sorry Yamaha. I will keep my 2000 MM Venture. It was a lot cheaper.
SilvrT Posted October 2, 2009 #5 Posted October 2, 2009 Us "older" folks say "they don't make 'em like they used to..." but in Yamaha's case for the RSV it's "we make 'em like we used to.."
CrazyHorse Posted October 2, 2009 #6 Posted October 2, 2009 Still has carbs amazingly and a 5 speed tranny. This says it all from Yamaha to us.... Thanks Yamaha
ArticusMedicus Posted October 2, 2009 #7 Posted October 2, 2009 Unless they have lost their minds, there is no way I am spending almost 20K on a Venture. Hate to say it, but now your in the price range of a full dresser H/D and folks aren't going to pay that kind of money for a antiquatedly accesorized bike...sorry to say it but it's the truth Not when HD put out a new Road Glide at 17k.
loehring Posted October 2, 2009 #8 Posted October 2, 2009 I don't see this as a good sales year for the Venture. Nothing new and the price is up. Better to buy a used one at half the price. The new colors are boring as well. I have an '07 Midnight and I'm not at all impressed with their attempt at "flames". The black looks better without. No big deal for me anyway. I'm not in the market for a few more years. I just love the sound of "paid for".
Yammer Dan Posted October 2, 2009 #9 Posted October 2, 2009 I do like that big V-4 and would like to see them do some things to it but guess it ain't gonna happen. Fuel Injection Another gear CD Player Better brakes Back to 1200 power would be done with extra gear and changing ratio of lower ones and fuel Injection. The stuff dreams are made of.
1sttenor Posted October 2, 2009 #11 Posted October 2, 2009 With the change in the Stratoliner, don't you think it'll be the next Venture? Wouldn't take much work?
CrazyHorse Posted October 2, 2009 #12 Posted October 2, 2009 With the change in the Stratoliner, don't you think it'll be the next Venture? Wouldn't take much work? Kinda lookin that way but it would be a big Vtwin instead.
SilvrT Posted October 2, 2009 #13 Posted October 2, 2009 I just got an email from news@starmotorcycles.com announcing the 2010 Star lineup. What's interesting about it is... it went into my JUNK mail folder!! :sign20:
Sailor Posted October 3, 2009 #14 Posted October 3, 2009 I like my Midnight Venture but whoever is designing the rest of those bikes needs to quit taking those bad drugs.
hunter 1500 Posted October 3, 2009 #15 Posted October 3, 2009 I'm just glad I bought my RSTD when I did. I'm loving this bike so far. Not sure why they got rid of it. At least they are coming out with new models unlike Suzuki. If Suzuki had come out with a tour model of the C109, hardbags, fairing ect I would probably have bought one. Had good luck with them but I don't think the care about the cruiser market much. They are the leader in sport bikes. I'm glad they didn't because this RSTD is a perfect bike for me.
Scooter Bob Posted October 3, 2009 #16 Posted October 3, 2009 I just got an email from news@starmotorcycles.com announcing the 2010 Star lineup. What's interesting about it is... it went into my JUNK mail folder!! :sign20: Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!!!
dave_wells Posted October 5, 2009 #17 Posted October 5, 2009 I was speaking with a guy from Yamaha to about my warranty Then I mentioned the NO RSTD in the line up He said that they have it in the 2010 line up I replied it not on the website He said the only bike they are not making is the v-star 1100 It has been replaced with the 950 ??? 950 -- 1100 has to be the same Motor seems like a waste My 2 cents
V7Goose Posted October 5, 2009 #18 Posted October 5, 2009 The price increase is completely understandable - it is costing Yamahaha a high premium to source those cassette decks now. Nobody's making them anymore, so they have to be specially sourced just for the Venture! But changing the design drawings and assembly line to just put in a plastic accessory box in its place would cost even more. Goose
Condor Posted October 5, 2009 #19 Posted October 5, 2009 The price increase is completely understandable - it is costing Yamahaha a high premium to source those cassette decks now. Nobody's making them anymore, so they have to be specially sourced just for the Venture! But changing the design drawings and assembly line to just put in a plastic accessory box in its place would cost even more. Goose They don't give a damn. The buyer is still paying the freight. Too bad it's not an option and the buyer could pass on it.... As far as in cost goes, they're just dumping old stock that wouldn't be able to get rid of otherwise...
V7Goose Posted October 5, 2009 #20 Posted October 5, 2009 They don't give a damn. The buyer is still paying the freight. Too bad it's not an option and the buyer could pass on it.... As far as in cost goes, they're just dumping old stock that wouldn't be able to get rid of otherwise... Well, first of all, my post was just a joke (at least the part about the cost of the cassette). But you are wrong that a manufacturer doesn't give a damn about the cost per unit of manufacture. Yes, they almost always do pass it all on to the buyer, but a smaller increase is ALWAYS better, all else being equal. The only justification for choosing to do something more expensive is if they expect the perceived value to offset the increased cost and generate higher sales. The really bad part of even a minor design change is that the up front cost on the manufacturing process is generally quite large, and that total cost must be amortized over the expected number of units over a set period of time. Since the RSV is such a small volume item, they would never get their cost back without pricing the bike like a typical HD. That is why I keep saying there is zero chance of seeing ANY changes to this 10 year old design until they completely update it with the expectation of at least another three to five year run. Goose
Condor Posted October 5, 2009 #21 Posted October 5, 2009 Well, first of all, my post was just a joke (at least the part about the cost of the cassette). But you are wrong that a manufacturer doesn't give a damn about the cost per unit of manufacture. Yes, they almost always do pass it all on to the buyer, but a smaller increase is ALWAYS better, all else being equal. The only justification for choosing to do something more expensive is if they expect the perceived value to offset the increased cost and generate higher sales. The really bad part of even a minor design change is that the up front cost on the manufacturing process is generally quite large, and that total cost must be amortized over the expected number of units over a set period of time. Since the RSV is such a small volume item, they would never get their cost back without pricing the bike like a typical HD. That is why I keep saying there is zero chance of seeing ANY changes to this 10 year old design until they completely update it with the expectation of at least another three to five year run. Goose Geeze, don't get your knickers in a twist and lighten up. I made a comment and it was tongue-in-cheek. I'm not trying to usurp your expertise in the area of manufacturing in-work costs, but I've been dealing with manufactures in M&M for over 45 years and have pick up a few tid-bits of info during that time. Manufactures modify production components and parts all the time. It's not unusual. Not even for Yamaha. The 1stGen is a good example of that. Where they did get stuck in the mud is with the 2ndGen. To think that they are still buying components thru outsourcing to keep a production run unchanged is a fantasy, and paying more for the part because it's obsolete is a well. Believe me when I say they bought a bunch of the integrated com systems and still have a shelf full of them is the main reason they are not improving the part.
ken Posted October 5, 2009 #22 Posted October 5, 2009 I’ll be in the market for a new or new to me venture in a year or so. With Yamaha making no changes why should I even consider a “brand” new model at around $17,000 when I can get the same thing a few years old with a few miles on it for around $10,000 and still have a two or three warranty. It seems like to me Yamaha’s new bike sale will start falling, especially with the other guy’s coming out with new touring models with up to date technology P.S. I have yet to see a better looking bike then the Midnight with the studded seat. If they would come back with that, an in dash CD player and a few gages I’d go the the bank tomorrow.
ken Posted October 6, 2009 #24 Posted October 6, 2009 Glad I bought an '09... Are you sure it's an 09? it could be an 1999, 00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,10
edger Posted October 6, 2009 #25 Posted October 6, 2009 Still has carbs amazingly and a 5 speed tranny. This says it all from Yamaha to us.... Thanks Yamaha This I can't beleive at all. Still carbed???? And yes, give me another gear.
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