I'm PO'D

[1rooster]

This just upsets me to no end.

http://www.donttearmedown.com/

[Kregerdoodle]

This was going around a few weeks ago... its a damn shame... I signed the petition and sent it to all in my address book... hopefully that will help..

[Black Owl]

This issue has been bouncing around the courts since 1999 when Frank Buono (who is from Oregon) sued to have the cross removed.

[buddy]

I added my name and I'm proud I did. My Son is going in the Marines and I ain't going to stand by and let some one tell me to tear down a memorial for our service men. Next thing we know they will be telling us to remove the cross's on our service men at Arlington Cemetery because its on Government land.

Buddy

[mini-muffin]

I also signed it and sent it to others I know that aren't on this site.

 

Margaret

[saddlebum]

forgive my ignorance but who is the ACLU and what bussiness do they have to dishonour men by dessicrating a monument that was probably put up before they were even born. And so what if it is on government land, it was for the government and the nation they fought and sacrificed. Canadians should also be aware, because once it starts in the USA it will soon start here too.

[1rooster]

forgive my ignorance but who is the ACLU and what bussiness do they have to dishonour men by dessicrating a monument that was probably put up before they were even born. And so what if it is on government land, it was for the government and the nation they fought and sacrificed. Canadians should also be aware, because once it starts in the USA it will soon start here too.

 

 

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union[/ame]

 

The ACLU supported the Westboro Baptist Church,,,,,All PGR members "should "know about that church

Edited August 10, 2009 by 1rooster

[rod]

We have had the same problem here in San Diego with the Mt. Soladad memoral. It stays for now but the fight is not over. I wish they would go away and go to Hell. Rod

[Aussie Annie]

PROUD SIGNED TOO !! LEAVE THE MEMORIALS ALONE--WHERE EVER THEY ARE

[juggler]

forgive my ignorance but who is the ACLU and what bussiness do they have to dishonour men by dessicrating a monument that was probably put up before they were even born. And so what if it is on government land, it was for the government and the nation they fought and sacrificed. Canadians should also be aware, because once it starts in the USA it will soon start here too.

 

Those of us that still believe in Liberty and Freedom call the ACLU the Anti Civil Liberties Union.

 

Believe it or not they even have enough support in our Congress to have gotten a law passed that pays them every time the sue the Federal Government regardless if they win or loose. And Supreme Court Jurist Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a former lead attorney of the ACLU.

 

We've got problems. No enemy abroad will hurt us as bad as those enemies we have put in our own Government.

[Venturous Randy]

The thing that the American Civil Liberties Union does not understand is that if were not for the veterans, there would not be a ACLU, because a dictator would not allow it to exist.

This is also government land near me and my father is there and I will be there when I die.

RandyA

[Jrichard]

forgive my ignorance but who is the ACLU and what bussiness do they have to dishonour men by dessicrating a monument that was probably put up before they were even born. And so what if it is on government land, it was for the government and the nation they fought and sacrificed. Canadians should also be aware, because once it starts in the USA it will soon start here too.

AMERICAN COMMUNIST LAWYERS UNION-------it's the 'maggot' lawyers who always lean FARRRR Left and R out to destroy all vestiges of Freedom and Religion in this country in the name of 'POLITICAL CORRECTNESS':usa:

[Iowa Guy]

Veteran Memorials with any religious references shouldn't be a problem. Doesn't the constitution give us freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion?

[Yammer Dan]

Never seems to end.

[Venturous Randy]

Veteran Memorials with any religious references shouldn't be a problem. Doesn't the constitution give us freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion?

 

Actually, it gives us both. There are religions I do not want to be part of and our constitution gives me the right not to have to be part of that or any other religion. I think the easiest thing to do in this case is for the Government to turn over that piece of property to an organization like the VFW and it is not an issue any more.

RandyA

[saddlebum]

Actually, it gives us both. There are religions I do not want to be part of and our constitution gives me the right not to have to be part of that or any other religion. I think the easiest thing to do in this case is for the Government to turn over that piece of property to an organization like the VFW and it is not an issue any more.

RandyA

The jester is good in merit but the bad side effect of this is everytime one group gets something from the government a dozen other special interest groups pop up wanting something, and not all with the best intentions. I say it was ok with the government in power at the time so leave it be. tell the ACLU to go pound salt and get off of the tax payers dole.

[Black Owl]

Believe it or not they even have enough support in our Congress to have gotten a law passed that pays them every time the sue the Federal Government regardless if they win or loose.

 

Juggler,

 

Are you talking about 42 USC, Section 1988 (a) Proceedings in vindication of civil rights ?

 

a) Applicability of statutory and common law The jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters conferred on the district courts by the provisions of titles 13, 24, and 70 of the Revised Statutes for the protection of all persons in the United States in their civil rights, and for their vindication, shall be exercised and enforced in conformity with the laws of the United States, so far as such laws are suitable to carry the same into effect; but in all cases where they are not adapted to the object, or are deficient in the provisions necessary to furnish suitable remedies and punish offenses against law, the common law, as modified and changed by the constitution and statutes of the State wherein the court having jurisdiction of such civil or criminal cause is held, so far as the same is not inconsistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States, shall be extended to and govern the said courts in the trial and disposition of the cause, and, if it is of a criminal nature, in the infliction of punishment on the party found guilty. (b) Attorney's fees In any action or proceeding to enforce a provision of sections 1981, 1981a, 1982, 1983, 1985, and 1986 of this title, title IX of Public Law 92-318 [[/url]

et seq.], the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 [42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.], the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 [42 U.S.C. 2000cc et seq.], title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 [42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.], or section 13981 of this title, the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing party, other than the United States, a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity such officer shall not be held liable for any costs, including attorney's fees, unless such action was clearly in excess of such officer's jurisdiction. © Expert fees In awarding an attorney's fee under subsection (b) of this section in any action or proceeding to enforce a provision of section 1981 or 1981a of this title, the court, in its discretion, may include expert fees as part of the attorney's fee.

References In Text

 

Title 13 of the Revised Statutes, referred to in subsec. (a), was in the original "this Title" meaning title 13 of the Revised Statutes, consisting of R.S. Secs. 530 to 1093. For complete classification of R.S. Secs. 530 to 1093 to the Code, see Tables.

 

Title 24 of the Revised Statutes, referred to in subsec. (a), was in the original "Title 'Civil Rights,' " meaning title 24 of the Revised Statutes, consisting of R.S. Secs. 1977 to 1991, which are classified to sections 1981 to 1983, 1985 to 1987, and 1989 to 1994 of this title.

 

For complete classification of R.S. Secs. 1977 to 1991 to the Code, see Tables.

 

Title 70 of the Revised Statutes, referred to in subsec. (a), was in the original "Title 'Crimes,' " meaning title 70 of the Revised Statutes, consisting of R.S. Secs. 5323 to 5550. For complete classification of R.S. Secs. 5323 to 5550, see Tables.

 

Title IX of Public Law 92-318, referred to in subsec. (b), is title IX of Pub. L. 92-318, June 23, 1972, 86 Stat. 373, as amended, known as the Patsy Takemoto Mink Equal Opportunity in Education Act, which is classified principally to chapter 38 (Sec. 1681 et seq.) of Title 20, Education.

 

For complete classification of title IX to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 1681 of Title 20 and Tables.

 

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, referred to in subsec. (b), is Pub. L. 103-141, Nov. 16, 1993, 107 Stat. 1488, which is classified principally to chapter 21B (Sec. 2000bb et seq.) of this title.

 

For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 2000bb of this title and Tables.

 

The Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000, referred to in subsec. (b), is Pub. L. 106-274, Sept. 22, 2000, 114 Stat. 803, which is classified principally to chapter 21C (Sec. 2000cc et seq.) of this title.

 

For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 2000cc of this title and Tables.

 

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, referred to in subsec. (b), is Pub. L. 88-352, July 2, 1964, 78 Stat. 241, as amended.

 

Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is classified generally to subchapter V (Sec. 2000d et seq.) of this chapter.

 

For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 2000a of this title and Tables.

 

Codification

 

R.S. Sec. 722 derived from acts Apr. 9, 1866, ch. 31, Sec. 3, 14 Stat. 27; May 31, 1870, ch. 114, Sec. 18, 16 Stat. 144. Section was formerly classified to section 729 of Title 28 prior to the general revision and enactment of Title 28, Judiciary and Judicial Procedure, by act June 25, 1948, ch. 646, Sec. 1, 62 Stat. 869.

 

Amendments

 

2000 - Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 106-274 inserted "the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000," after "Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993," and deleted comma after "section 13981 of this title,". 1996 - Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 104-317 inserted before period at end ", except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity such officer shall not be held liable for any costs, including attorney's fees, unless such action was clearly in excess of such officer's jurisdiction". 1994 - Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 103-322, which directed the amendment of the last sentence of this section by striking "or" after "92-318," and by inserting ", or section 13981 of this title," after "1964", was executed to subsec. (b) of this section by striking "or" after "Act of 1993," and by inserting ", or section 13981 of this title," after "1964", to reflect the probable intent of Congress and amendments by Pub. L. 102-166 and Pub. L. 103-141. See 1993 and 1991 Amendment notes below. 1993 - Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 103-141 inserted "the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993," before "or title VI". 1991 - Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 102-166, Sec. 113(a)(1), designated first sentence of existing provisions as subsec. (a). Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 102-166, Secs. 103, 113(a)(1), designated second sentence of existing provisions as subsec. (b) and inserted "1981a," after "1981,". Subsec. ©. Pub. L. 102-166, Sec. 113(a)(2), added subsec. ©. 1980 - Pub. L. 96-481 struck out "or in any civil action or proceeding, by or on behalf of the United States of America, to enforce, or charging a violation of, a provision of the United States Internal Revenue Code,". 1976 - Pub. L. 94-559 authorized the court, in its discretion, to allow a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the prevailing party's costs.

 

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1991 AMENDMENT

 

Amendment by Pub. L. 102-166 effective Nov. 21, 1991, except as otherwise provided, see section 402 of Pub. L. 102-166, set out as a note under section 1981 of this title.

 

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1980 AMENDMENT

 

Amendment by Pub. L. 96-481 effective Oct. 1, 1981, and applicable to adversary adjudication as defined in section 504(b)(1)© of Title 5, Government Organization and Employees, and to civil actions and adversary adjudications described in section 2412 of Title 28, Judiciary and Judicial Procedure, which are pending on, or commenced on or after Oct. 1, 1981, see section 208 of Pub. L. 96-481, set out as an Effective Date note under section 2412 of Title 28. SHORT TITLE OF 1976 AMENDMENT Pub. L. 94-559, Sec. 1, Oct. 19, 1976, 90 Stat. 2641, provided: "That this Act [amending this section] may be cited as 'The Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act of 1976'."

 

Section Referred To In Other Sections

 

This section is referred to in sections 1981a, 1997e, 3602 of this title.

 

 

(a) Applicability of statutory and common law The jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters conferred on the district courts by the provisions of titles 13, 24, and 70 of the Revised Statutes for the protection of all persons in the United States in their civil rights, and for their vindication, shall be exercised and enforced in conformity with the laws of the United States, so far as such laws are suitable to carry the same into effect; but in all cases where they are not adapted to the object, or are deficient in the provisions necessary to furnish suitable remedies and punish offenses against law, the common law, as modified and changed by the constitution and statutes of the State wherein the court having jurisdiction of such civil or criminal cause is held, so far as the same is not inconsistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States, shall be extended to and govern the said courts in the trial and disposition of the cause, and, if it is of a criminal nature, in the infliction of punishment on the party found guilty. (b) Attorney's fees In any action or proceeding to enforce a provision of sections 1981, 1981a, 1982, 1983, 1985, and 1986 of this title, title IX of Public Law 92-318 [et seq.], the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 [42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.], the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 [42 U.S.C. 2000cc et seq.], title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 [42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.], or section 13981 of this title, the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing party, other than the United States, a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity such officer shall not be held liable for any costs, including attorney's fees, unless such action was clearly in excess of such officer's jurisdiction. © Expert fees In awarding an attorney's fee under subsection (b) of this section in any action or proceeding to enforce a provision of section 1981 or 1981a of this title, the court, in its discretion, may include expert fees as part of the attorney's fee.

References In Text

 

Title 13 of the Revised Statutes, referred to in subsec. (a), was in the original "this Title" meaning title 13 of the Revised Statutes, consisting of R.S. Secs. 530 to 1093. For complete classification of R.S. Secs. 530 to 1093 to the Code, see Tables.

 

Title 24 of the Revised Statutes, referred to in subsec. (a), was in the original "Title 'Civil Rights,' " meaning title 24 of the Revised Statutes, consisting of R.S. Secs. 1977 to 1991, which are classified to sections 1981 to 1983, 1985 to 1987, and 1989 to 1994 of this title.

 

For complete classification of R.S. Secs. 1977 to 1991 to the Code, see Tables.

 

Title 70 of the Revised Statutes, referred to in subsec. (a), was in the original "Title 'Crimes,' " meaning title 70 of the Revised Statutes, consisting of R.S. Secs. 5323 to 5550. For complete classification of R.S. Secs. 5323 to 5550, see Tables.

 

Title IX of Public Law 92-318, referred to in subsec. (b), is title IX of Pub. L. 92-318, June 23, 1972, 86 Stat. 373, as amended, known as the Patsy Takemoto Mink Equal Opportunity in Education Act, which is classified principally to chapter 38 (Sec. 1681 et seq.) of Title 20, Education.

 

For complete classification of title IX to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 1681 of Title 20 and Tables.

 

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, referred to in subsec. (b), is Pub. L. 103-141, Nov. 16, 1993, 107 Stat. 1488, which is classified principally to chapter 21B (Sec. 2000bb et seq.) of this title.

 

For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 2000bb of this title and Tables.

 

The Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000, referred to in subsec. (b), is Pub. L. 106-274, Sept. 22, 2000, 114 Stat. 803, which is classified principally to chapter 21C (Sec. 2000cc et seq.) of this title.

 

For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 2000cc of this title and Tables.

 

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, referred to in subsec. (b), is Pub. L. 88-352, July 2, 1964, 78 Stat. 241, as amended.

 

Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is classified generally to subchapter V (Sec. 2000d et seq.) of this chapter.

 

For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 2000a of this title and Tables.

 

Codification

 

R.S. Sec. 722 derived from acts Apr. 9, 1866, ch. 31, Sec. 3, 14 Stat. 27; May 31, 1870, ch. 114, Sec. 18, 16 Stat. 144. Section was formerly classified to section 729 of Title 28 prior to the general revision and enactment of Title 28, Judiciary and Judicial Procedure, by act June 25, 1948, ch. 646, Sec. 1, 62 Stat. 869.

 

Amendments

 

2000 - Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 106-274 inserted "the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000," after "Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993," and deleted comma after "section 13981 of this title,". 1996 - Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 104-317 inserted before period at end ", except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity such officer shall not be held liable for any costs, including attorney's fees, unless such action was clearly in excess of such officer's jurisdiction". 1994 - Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 103-322, which directed the amendment of the last sentence of this section by striking "or" after "92-318," and by inserting ", or section 13981 of this title," after "1964", was executed to subsec. (b) of this section by striking "or" after "Act of 1993," and by inserting ", or section 13981 of this title," after "1964", to reflect the probable intent of Congress and amendments by Pub. L. 102-166 and Pub. L. 103-141. See 1993 and 1991 Amendment notes below. 1993 - Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 103-141 inserted "the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993," before "or title VI". 1991 - Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 102-166, Sec. 113(a)(1), designated first sentence of existing provisions as subsec. (a). Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 102-166, Secs. 103, 113(a)(1), designated second sentence of existing provisions as subsec. (b) and inserted "1981a," after "1981,". Subsec. ©. Pub. L. 102-166, Sec. 113(a)(2), added subsec. ©. 1980 - Pub. L. 96-481 struck out "or in any civil action or proceeding, by or on behalf of the United States of America, to enforce, or charging a violation of, a provision of the United States Internal Revenue Code,". 1976 - Pub. L. 94-559 authorized the court, in its discretion, to allow a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the prevailing party's costs.

 

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1991 AMENDMENT

 

Amendment by Pub. L. 102-166 effective Nov. 21, 1991, except as otherwise provided, see section 402 of Pub. L. 102-166, set out as a note under section 1981 of this title.

 

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1980 AMENDMENT

 

Amendment by Pub. L. 96-481 effective Oct. 1, 1981, and applicable to adversary adjudication as defined in section 504(b)(1)© of Title 5, Government Organization and Employees, and to civil actions and adversary adjudications described in section 2412 of Title 28, Judiciary and Judicial Procedure, which are pending on, or commenced on or after Oct. 1, 1981, see section 208 of Pub. L. 96-481, set out as an Effective Date note under section 2412 of Title 28. SHORT TITLE OF 1976 AMENDMENT Pub. L. 94-559, Sec. 1, Oct. 19, 1976, 90 Stat. 2641, provided: "That this Act [amending this section] may be cited as 'The Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act of 1976'."

 

Section Referred To In Other Sections

 

This section is referred to in sections 1981a, 1997e, 3602 of this title.

Edited August 10, 2009 by Black Owl

[ststvn9]

:325:While we may not agree with every position taken by the ACLU we must not forget that they helped fight for issues such as to strike down seperate but equal, to guarantee the right to consult an attorney before or during questioning, and the prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. The Supreme Court will have the final say. It is important to keep in mind that the ninth circuit is known to be more liberal than other circuits. For those interested here is a link that discusses the issues before the Supremes.

 

http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2008/2008_08_472