jlh3rd Posted July 24, 2009 #1 Posted July 24, 2009 trying to seat the bead on an suv tire....17 inch rim.........i tried the ratcheting strap method......haven't tried the ( gulp) lighter fluid/starting fluid methods .......yet......any other ways?.......besides a service station.....
Flyinfool Posted July 24, 2009 #2 Posted July 24, 2009 Do you have the core out of the valve stem? Are you using a big enough air compressor and big enough air hose to supply air quickly enough? I never did like the concept of explosive tire seating. If not then your only other option is a service station, I would think that the charge to just seat the tire that you already have on the rim would be minimal, especially if it is a station that you normally frequent. Call around.
Guest tx2sturgis Posted July 24, 2009 #3 Posted July 24, 2009 trying to seat the bead on an suv tire....17 inch rim.........i tried the ratcheting strap method......haven't tried the ( gulp) lighter fluid/starting fluid methods .......yet......any other ways?.......besides a service station..... You tried the strap around the tire's tread, squeezing down on the tire while inflating it? and that didnt work? If you can get access to a high volume, high pressure air supply hose you can use the nozzle end to blow air in around the bead area, like a bead-seating tool. Of course, if you have access to a bead seating tool, that will get it done.
tim44 Posted July 24, 2009 #4 Posted July 24, 2009 I say try the lighter fluid trick. Just be sure to have a camera rolling for us curious types.:photographing:Just kidding.
jlh3rd Posted July 24, 2009 Author #5 Posted July 24, 2009 the valve core is out.........air is supplied by a typical 5hp, 120 psi compressor......and using the air nozzle gun blown into the valve.........when i used the strap , the tire would actually buckle and begin to fold up....i put the strap around the middle........and what is a bead seating tool, where can i get one, how much.......anyone have a pic of that?
Guest tx2sturgis Posted July 24, 2009 #6 Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) Again, you need to use a high volume, high pressure air supply...the typical home air compressor wont be stout enough. Any decent tire shop or truck shop will have one. A bead seating tool will run around $400 or so, depending on where you get one, but any truck tire shop will have one...and I'm willing to bet that they would walk out there with it and seat those beads for free, or a small tip... Its just an air tank with a huge nozzle that blasts the bead with a forceful wall of air. All 6 gallons of air rush out the nozzle in about 2 or 3 seconds, and its noisy as hell, but...it gets the job done instantly. This is what one looks like: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/TSI-Cheetah-Bead-Seating-Tool/dp/B000VNHWUM]http://www.amazon.com/TSI-Cheetah-Bead-Seating-Tool/dp/B000VNHWUM[/ame] http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_18864_18864 Edited July 24, 2009 by tx2sturgis
Squeeze Posted July 24, 2009 #7 Posted July 24, 2009 120 psi should be way enough to seat the Tire. What about some Dish Washer Soap around the Hump and the Tire Bed Area ?
jlh3rd Posted July 24, 2009 Author #8 Posted July 24, 2009 squeeze yeh...it's enough as i do smaller tires all the time......the problem is that the bead is not making contact with the rim...too much air is escaping...or not enough air volume to compensate for the gaps too bad i couldn't modify my current tank to perform like the bead seating tool
Guest tx2sturgis Posted July 24, 2009 #9 Posted July 24, 2009 squeeze yeh...it's enough as i do smaller tires all the time......the problem is that the bead is not making contact with the rim...too much air is escaping...or not enough air volume to compensate for the gaps too bad i couldn't modify my current tank to perform like the bead seating tool Maybe you could! Have a fitting welded in, screw in a big nipple and ball valve...fab up some kinda nozzle... Or...just take it to a tire shop or truck shop...
jlh3rd Posted July 24, 2009 Author #10 Posted July 24, 2009 thanks for the ideas i didn't want to have to run down to a station everytime i do this....and didn't wanna spend $400....so, that's why i asked..... maybe i could modify the drain valve on my current tank.......but probably still not enough air would flow
flb_78 Posted July 24, 2009 #11 Posted July 24, 2009 Ive got a cheetah tank at my house if you wanna drive to Amarillo. Another trick is to set the tire on a 5 gallon bucket, that'll seat the bottom bead, then use the ratchet strap to draw the top bead up.
Flyinfool Posted July 24, 2009 #12 Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) thanks for the ideas i didn't want to have to run down to a station everytime i do this....and didn't wanna spend $400....so, that's why i asked..... maybe i could modify the drain valve on my current tank.......but probably still not enough air would flow Every time you do this? How often do you need to change the tires on your SUV? It really takes a lot of air to seat a stubborn bead, When I have seen the bead seating tool used, you need to be aware that if you are not in a good stable stance that the force of the air leaving the tank will knock you over. Take video the first time you use it. A couple more options; http://www.gemplers.com/product/IN165/Radial-Truck-Tire-Bead-Seater-165-175-TC-50 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHEETAH-Tire-Air-Bead-Seater-Seating-Tool_W0QQitemZ130320157250QQcmdZViewItem Edited July 24, 2009 by Flyinfool
jlh3rd Posted July 24, 2009 Author #13 Posted July 24, 2009 this is my son's........i do this for people if they need it.....i have a truck....etc..... i think i get the bucket idea....but aren't i doing the same thing with my HF tire changer when it's resting on it?........but i see what your getting at.....if i flip the tire where the valve stem is on the bottom, then the bead will be over the stem and the strap might seat the upper bead and that might possible work. amarillo's just too far..... no pics....you'll have to read about any "explosions" in the news
a1bummer Posted July 26, 2009 #14 Posted July 26, 2009 Every time you do this? How often do you need to change the tires on your SUV? It really takes a lot of air to seat a stubborn bead, When I have seen the bead seating tool used, you need to be aware that if you are not in a good stable stance that the force of the air leaving the tank will knock you over. Take video the first time you use it. A couple more options; http://www.gemplers.com/product/IN165/Radial-Truck-Tire-Bead-Seater-165-175-TC-50 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHEETAH-Tire-Air-Bead-Seater-Seating-Tool_W0QQitemZ130320157250QQcmdZViewItem Ya! That first link! Those big o-rings! They work great! You can get them in several sizes. That's what I've been using for years. Just slip them on to close the gap, and when the tire gets enough pressure in it, it just spits the o-ring off. Lubing it up with a little soapy water helps too.
Bubber Posted July 27, 2009 #15 Posted July 27, 2009 I had the same problem trying to seat tires on my Venture rims. Finally used two straps with the ratchet opposite each other and that was the trick. Cranked them down and put air in as fast as possible. Good luck Steve
eusa1 Posted July 27, 2009 #16 Posted July 27, 2009 the starting fluid and the lighter is not that tough of a task, if you use caution and common sense, it's just a controled explosion:scared:
jlh3rd Posted July 29, 2009 Author #17 Posted July 29, 2009 all those that offered advice...thanks i purchased the tube from gempers (thanks flyinfool).....that worked..........just one more thing i can now do myself.
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