RandyR Posted July 14, 2009 #26 Posted July 14, 2009 shh ! don't tell OBB. He'll raise his price. Hopefully I'll have it in hand in a few days and can confirm, but BuddyRich confirmed the 1st gen and 2nd gen tools are the same, which is what I gleaned from looking at the special tools list and xrefing part numbers.
V7Goose Posted July 14, 2009 Author #27 Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Is this the same tool needed for the 2nd Gen? The OBB fitment guideline did not include the 2nd Gen bikes. RR I just checked the service manual for the XVZ1200, and the valve tool it shows looks very different than the one for the 2nd gen (different part number too). There is always a chance the tool would still work on both motors, but it is not the same tool. Of course, there were only 72 different models of those old antique 1st gen bikes, so there might be multiple different valve tools for them too! My expertise, such as it is, is limited to the RSV. Goose UPDATE: The XVZ13DS supplementary service manual for the 85 models DOES show the same tool as the 2nd gens use. So that keeps the question wide open - apparently SOME antiques use the same tool as we do, but not all of 'em. Edited July 14, 2009 by V7Goose
RandyR Posted July 14, 2009 #28 Posted July 14, 2009 I just checked the service manual for the XVZ1200, and the valve tool it shows looks very different than the one for the 2nd gen (different part number too). There is always a chance the tool would still work on both motors, but it is not the same tool. Of course, there were only 72 different models of those old antique 1st gen bikes, so there might be multiple different valve tools for them too! My expertise, such as it is, is limited to the RSV. Goose UPDATE: The XVZ13DS supplementary service manual for the 85 models DOES show the same tool as the 2nd gens use. So that keeps the question wide open - apparently SOME antiques use the same tool as we do, but not all of 'em. I would recommend waiting until I receive my tool from OBB and can confirm its the right tool. Its been 2 weeks since I placed the order, so it should be here soon.
V7Goose Posted July 14, 2009 Author #29 Posted July 14, 2009 shh ! don't tell OBB. He'll raise his price. Hopefully I'll have it in hand in a few days and can confirm, but BuddyRich confirmed the 1st gen and 2nd gen tools are the same, which is what I gleaned from looking at the special tools list and xrefing part numbers. Well, keep us posted. If it turns out to be the right tool, I'd consider buying one and putting a shim kit together just to have it here in North Texass. Goose
Cougar Posted July 14, 2009 #30 Posted July 14, 2009 I just used weather stripping (more dense) that was sticky on one side to take the place of the oiled soaked one's been working fine ever since. Jeff
BuddyRich Posted July 14, 2009 #31 Posted July 14, 2009 Goose, I'll be doing mine in the next month or so, I'll take a bunch of pics to add to your write up.
N3FOL Posted July 14, 2009 #32 Posted July 14, 2009 With my experience with overhead gaskets, but not on motorcycle gaskets, I recommend applying a small amount of RTV on the bends of the gasket and not so much on the straight sections as well and off course the lump sections will need RTV.
N3FOL Posted July 14, 2009 #33 Posted July 14, 2009 Goose, I'll be doing mine in the next month or so, I'll take a bunch of pics to add to your write up. How about a pic of your Tappet / Shim holder.
Tom Posted July 14, 2009 #34 Posted July 14, 2009 Goose, I'll be doing mine in the next month or so, I'll take a bunch of pics to add to your write up. Buddy,When you do it give me a yell,Ill bring the camera and be that 3RD hand..Need to go thru it all again.Tom
BuddyRich Posted July 14, 2009 #35 Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Will holler Tom The tool looks like 35-3462 .... $38 http://www.justatv.com/pages/valve_shim_tools/valve_shim_tools.htm http://www.justatv.com/pages/valve_shim_tools/valve_7.jpg Edited July 14, 2009 by V7Goose Correct the number
V7Goose Posted July 14, 2009 Author #36 Posted July 14, 2009 GREAT info Buddy! But I edited your post to change the number. 3462 and 3470 look the same in the picture, but the web site says 3462 is for the xvz1200/1300. I think I'll order one at that price! Goose
Squeeze Posted July 14, 2009 #37 Posted July 14, 2009 GREAT info Buddy! But I edited your post to change the number. 3462 and 3470 look the same in the picture, but the web site says 3462 is for the xvz1200/1300. I think I'll order one at that price! Goose 3462 is what i use for Vmax and 1Gens. You probably need to hollow out the Back of the Cam Profile because there are Protrusions in the Casting of the Cyl.Head which can prevent full depressing the Bucket. I needed to do this, because the Valve Clearance was so tight, we couldn't get the Shim out of the Bucket without modifying the Tool. I'll take a Pic tomorrow.
BuddyRich Posted July 14, 2009 #38 Posted July 14, 2009 Squeeze, Did you try going in from the other direction. I used the same tool on both first and second gens with no problem. Changing the direction you go in from and the position of the lobe can make a big difference on getting or not getting the shim outta the bucket
Squeeze Posted July 14, 2009 #39 Posted July 14, 2009 Squeeze, Did you try going in from the other direction. I used the same tool on both first and second gens with no problem. Changing the direction you go in from and the position of the lobe can make a big difference on getting or not getting the shim outta the bucket Yes, we tried both Sides, but when inserting from the inner Side, the Cam was just not high enough to get the Shim out. It worked from the outer Side, but only after hollowing (grinding out behind the Cam Profile). It was about 1/100 mm away from pulling the Camshaft. That was an 1 Hour PITA-Job only for that single Shim. It went from 285 to 255, from what i saw there, the Valve never closed fully. btw I'd recommend using a 32mm Socket to turn the Flywheel directly, not to use the 19mm Head of the Flywheel-Bolt.
RandyR Posted July 14, 2009 #40 Posted July 14, 2009 Looks like a good source for the 25mm shims also. http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/street_engine_valve_shims/valveshims.htm
GuthDaddy17 Posted July 15, 2009 #41 Posted July 15, 2009 I'd like to do mine when you do yours Buddy. Let me know when and where and I'll be there! Also, what shims are you getting low on, seems like it was between 265 and 272??? I'll be sure to add a few to the kit.
BuddyRich Posted July 15, 2009 #42 Posted July 15, 2009 I'll have to check Larry, to see what's in there after last weekend. I'll let you and Tom know a couple of weeks ahead so we can plan this.
GuthDaddy17 Posted July 15, 2009 #43 Posted July 15, 2009 Sounds good Buddy, looking forward to it! Maybe we can hold out for a Cold Front to move through, it would be nice if it would drop down to 102 or 103...
Guest HdHtr Posted July 15, 2009 #44 Posted July 15, 2009 I'll have to check Larry, to see what's in there after last weekend. I'll let you and Tom know a couple of weeks ahead so we can plan this. Let me know when too, I'll come over/down. Probably should check mine ... been a few hundred miles since we did mine last. Oh yeah. When you plan this one don't forget to include stopping by the drug store for a lot of Advil.
Ponch Posted July 15, 2009 #45 Posted July 15, 2009 It looks like three bikes in line right now, I can help. Ponch
V7Goose Posted July 15, 2009 Author #46 Posted July 15, 2009 Let me know too - if there's beer there, I'll be happy to help drink it while I stand around and make snarky comments about any bike that looks or acts better than mine! (and I've been know to turn a wrench or too, occasionally) Goose
GuthDaddy17 Posted July 15, 2009 #47 Posted July 15, 2009 Wow, with this many "advisors" there is a good chance we can get them all back together again:crackup::crackup:
N3FOL Posted July 15, 2009 #48 Posted July 15, 2009 Will holler Tom The tool looks like 35-3462 .... $38 http://www.justatv.com/pages/valve_shim_tools/valve_shim_tools.htm http://www.justatv.com/pages/valve_shim_tools/valve_7.jpg I think I have the 35-2629 in my tool box. So, I may have missed it...what exactly is the type of Shim Tool (part #) for the 2nd Gens?
N3FOL Posted July 15, 2009 #49 Posted July 15, 2009 It looks like three bikes in line right now, I can help. Ponch I think I saw somewhere in this thread that there is a total of (16) Shims, 4 Shims per jug? Am I right?
V7Goose Posted July 15, 2009 Author #50 Posted July 15, 2009 I think I have the 35-2629 in my tool box. So, I may have missed it...what exactly is the type of Shim Tool (part #) for the 2nd Gens? Uhhhhh, read the line above the picture...
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