Thom Posted March 15, 2009 #1 Posted March 15, 2009 i am looking for new front tire for my 1st gen and found this ? Dunlop Elite 3 130/70HB-18 Front GL1500 i know 1stgs use a 130 / 90 but dos a 70 have a shorter side wall than a 90 ? what do every body think ? Thom
bryan52577 Posted March 15, 2009 #2 Posted March 15, 2009 Not sure this will help but here is what all the number mean. 70 should mean 70% of width is how high the sidewall is. So 90 would mean 90% of the width is how high the sidewall is. ( Sidewall Aspect Ratio Typically following the three digits identifying the tire's Section Width in millimeters is a two-digit number that identifies the tire's profile or aspect ratio. P225/50R16 91S The 50 indicates that this tire size's sidewall height (from rim to tread) is 50% of its section width. The measurement is the tire's section height, and also referred to as the tire's series, profile or aspect ratio. The higher the number, the taller the sidewall; the lower the number, the lower the sidewall. We know that this tire size's section width is 225mm and that its section height is 50% of 225mm. By converting the 225mm to inches (225 / 25.4 = 8.86") and multiplying it by 50% (.50) we confirm that this tire size results in a tire section height of 4.43". If this tire were a P225/70R16 size, our calculation would confirm that the size would result in a section height of 6.20", approximately a 1.8-inch taller sidewall.) Hope that is what you wanted to know? Bryan
Thom Posted March 15, 2009 Author #3 Posted March 15, 2009 Thanks Bryan , after reading the info you gave the 70 side wall is 20% shorter than the 90 so the bike will be lower to the ground , next ? how do it handles ? Thom
Squeeze Posted March 15, 2009 #4 Posted March 15, 2009 That's hard to tell until we don't know the Rim Size of the Wing. In general, a lower Tire Profile tends to give you less self dampening Capability but a /70 Tire will give you a sharper Steering Direction if mounted on a fitting Rim. Iirc, the 1Gen have a 2.15 Rim and that should too small to take a /70 Tire. Usually, a /70 on the front is supposed to go on a 3.5 or 3.75 Inch wide Rim. So, you might get into Suspension Trouble because of the harsher Tire Dampening and alter the Profile of the Tire to a non designed Shape. The Speedo will be off also, due to the different Tire Circumference.
bryan52577 Posted March 15, 2009 #5 Posted March 15, 2009 That's hard to tell until we don't know the Rim Size of the Wing. In general, a lower Tire Profile tends to give you less self dampening Capability but a /70 Tire will give you a sharper Steering Direction if mounted on a fitting Rim. Iirc, the 1Gen have a 2.15 Rim and that should too small to take a /70 Tire. Usually, a /70 on the front is supposed to go on a 3.5 or 3.75 Inch wide Rim. So, you might get into Suspension Trouble because of the harsher Tire Dampening and alter the Profile of the Tire to a non designed Shape. The Speedo will be off also, due to the different Tire Circumference. The 130 number is the width of the tire, that is the same on both so the rim would fit either? The 70 and the 90 are the side wall size. A 70 where a 90 would go would give more room between the tire & the fender. A 90 where a 70 is would probably rub your fender. If I am reading it correctly? Bryan
Thom Posted March 15, 2009 Author #6 Posted March 15, 2009 oops , never thought about it being wider , just shorter , well it was a thought , a plus using the tire it would make the speedo truer . Thom
Squeeze Posted March 15, 2009 #7 Posted March 15, 2009 A 130/90 is "balloon Style" Tire whereas a 130/70 is the beginning of low-profile Tire. You can't see the Width of the Threat (130) in conjunction to the needed or better said designed Rim Width. A Baloon Style Tire goes onto a narrow Rim, a low-profile Tire goes onto a wide Rim to achieve the design Shape of the Thread. Mechanically these Tire will fit to the opposite Rim, but i doubt it will Fun to ride. The Specs are outside the desigend operation Window. If this Tire is designed for a Wing and the Rim of the Wing is as narrow as our Rims, i'd say give it a Try.
bryan52577 Posted March 15, 2009 #8 Posted March 15, 2009 A 130/90 is "balloon Style" Tire whereas a 130/70 is the beginning of low-profile Tire. You can't see the Width of the Threat (130) in conjunction to the needed or better said designed Rim Width. A Baloon Style Tire goes onto a narrow Rim, a low-profile Tire goes onto a wide Rim to achieve the design Shape of the Thread. Mechanically these Tire will fit to the opposite Rim, but i doubt it will Fun to ride. The Specs are outside the desigend operation Window. If this Tire is designed for a Wing and the Rim of the Wing is as narrow as our Rims, i'd say give it a Try. Well I never new that! Thanks! And the wife said it was impossible to teach me new stuff,,,HA! I say!
Thom Posted March 15, 2009 Author #9 Posted March 15, 2009 at least it will be eazy to chase down a 1500 wing but it will be hard to hold the rider down to measure the with of his wheel so hopefully somebody here that rides a 1500 wing will measure the with of there wheel , please . i can see it now , me out running a wing than after i beat him or her i than ask [ can i measure your front wheel ] :rotfl: Thom
Squeeze Posted March 15, 2009 #10 Posted March 15, 2009 No need to cut the Tire off. :bluesbrother: We be smarter than that. There the Size is found somewhere in casted, elevated Letters. Something like 18x2.15 MT. This is what is on our Wheels. Honda isn't that different i think. So the Question to the haunted down Rider may be something like "May i bow down and do a little research on your front Rim ?" But with a Little Luck, here's Member with such a Wing in the Stable or Knowledge about the Rim Width.
bryan52577 Posted March 15, 2009 #11 Posted March 15, 2009 Looked up and found this info> HONDA "GL 1500 SE, A, I (88-00)" (Gold Wing ) Front Rim Size: 3.00x18 Rear Rim Size: 3.50x16 Recommended Front Tire: K491 Elite II, size 130/70B18, 36 PSI Recommended Rear Tire: 491 Elite II, size 160/80B16, 40 PSIMetzeler Front Tire: ME880, size 130/70HB18 Metzeler Rear Tire: ME880, size 160/80HB16 OE Replacement Front Tire: K177, size 130/70-18, 33 PSI OE Replacement Rear Tire: K177 , size 160/80-16, 41 PSI HONDA GL 1500 C/CT/CF (97-01) (Valkyrie/Tourer/Interstate) Front Rim Size: 3.50x17 Rear Rim Size: 5.00x16 Dunlop Front Tire: D206, size 150/80R17, 36 PSI Dunlop Rear Tire: D206, size 180/70R16, 40 PSI Metzeler Front Tire: ME880, size 150/80VR17 Metzeler Rear Tire: ME880, size 180/70HR16
Thom Posted March 15, 2009 Author #12 Posted March 15, 2009 Yep and a whole lot less embarrassing !:crackup: Thom
Thom Posted March 15, 2009 Author #13 Posted March 15, 2009 Thanks Bryan , the front wheel is 3 in. wide darn i thought i figgerd out how to get the 1st gens. closer to the ground with out having to hit the donate button . Thom
Squeeze Posted March 15, 2009 #14 Posted March 15, 2009 I'd call a Rep. and ask them about the Tire to fit a 2.15 Wheel. I wouldn't do it. But then, i also wouldn't mount a Car Tire on my Ride... :whistling:
Venturous Randy Posted March 16, 2009 #15 Posted March 16, 2009 When I went from the Avon to the Elite III the other day on the front, the Elite III was about an inch taller. It is the 90 series. RandyA
wild hair 39 Posted March 16, 2009 #16 Posted March 16, 2009 Thanks Bryan , after reading the info you gave the 70 side wall is 20% shorter than the 90 so the bike will be lower to the ground , next ? how do it handles ? Thom http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos thom try this
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