Condor Posted August 25, 2006 #1 Posted August 25, 2006 Attached are some pics of the new Venom X I mounted on the front of the '83VR a few months ago. I rode it lightly around town, and then about 750miles over a 4 day weekend at VWIII. I noticed a clunk when apply the front brake and while inspecting the caliper, play, and such, I ran into this on the side walls on the tire. I'd Venture to say there's about 1000miles on it since new. In Avon's defense the front tire pressure was about 10 pounds low when checked in Susanville, and I did ride it pretty hard while running up Hwy 395 after friday's group ride. Stopped for gas with Steve (hdhtr) and got a little carried away trying to catch up with the pack. My question is #1 can i expect this after running a tire low on pressure at high speeds.. 90+ in a couple of areas and #2 should I replace the tire or will it hold up?? I also noticed that on the sidewall the tire inflation should have been 50psi instead of the 40psi I thought was enuff. And should I just go ahead and bite the bullet and pick up a replacement?? Whatcha think???
RPG Posted August 25, 2006 #2 Posted August 25, 2006 I wonder how old that tire is, by that I mean how long ago was it made. It kinda looks like the cracking you see on old rubber. If it was my tire I would bring it up to proper pressure and continue to use it. It might be a good idea to bring it to a reputable tire dealer and get an opinion from them as far as how safe the tire is to use. Running low pressure can quickly cause the tire to cup, but I doubt that would happen in the distances you mentioned. Also check the tire and valve for slow leaks, the pressure you set should maintain itself for quite awhile without having to add. I top my tires up in the spring and normally only check them thru the summer without having to add air.
CanCruiser Posted August 25, 2006 #3 Posted August 25, 2006 If you bought that tire and had it installed by the dealer this year, I would be taking it back and having them replace it. There is no way a new tire should crack like that in the same year. I see venom's around here that were put on last year, sat around all winter in -30 temperatures and are still good today.
RPG Posted August 25, 2006 #4 Posted August 25, 2006 I agree about taking it back to the dealer that installed it, if thats the case. I thought by reading your post that you had installed it yourself (sorry if I misunderstood), if you bought the tire locally then by all means take it back to the retailer and show them.
Guest HdHtr Posted August 25, 2006 #5 Posted August 25, 2006 Like I told you when I noticed that this morning Jack ... no way that a tire that new could be cracking like that. And doubt it's from air pressure. I can't remember what you said the manufacture date was but seeing the tire I couldn't believe it was that new! Take it back!
ADC Posted August 25, 2006 #6 Posted August 25, 2006 I agree with the rest,that looks like it's been sitting on the rack for a long time,it's an old tire and I would get it replaced. Arthur
Rolling Barcalounger Posted August 25, 2006 #7 Posted August 25, 2006 Wear it down to the cords. Its an Avon. It is a premimum tire. They also make a good tire swing too for the kiddies.
Grandpagak Posted August 25, 2006 #8 Posted August 25, 2006 I agree with the rest,that looks like it's been sitting on the rack for a long time,it's an old tire and I would get it replaced. Arthur i have to agree with arthur, 100 %
Snarley Bill Posted August 25, 2006 #9 Posted August 25, 2006 sure looks like an old tire .it would have to be twenty years old.low pressure alot of weight and high speed can create tremendous heat.that and sidewall flex due to low pressure can disinegrate a tire.look how trucks tear up tires.or look what happens to a tire is you drive on a flat for a short time.just get a new tire and move on.keep a close eye on that tire pressure.thats critical on a bike cuz you have no margin for error with just two tires.bill
93 venture Posted August 25, 2006 #10 Posted August 25, 2006 Have You Been Using Armoral Or Tire Black. i Think That Stuff Causes Cracks In The Tires Like That,i Would Get A New Tire ,you Only Got 2 So They Had Better Be Good Ones.
Condor Posted August 25, 2006 Author #11 Posted August 25, 2006 Taking it back to the dealer isn't an option. I bought the front and rear (not installed yet) tire from Southwest Mototire in Arizona. So far I haven't seen any others complaints about this happening. And Steve, I noticed the problem when we were filling tires in Susanville. Rode it back at a leisurly pace, but will have second thoughts about doing any highspeed truckin' again. Another thing I noticed on the tire was the GVW rating with 50psi was 345#. With just the bike weight it comes pretty close to overloading the tire, and with my rear end sitting on it, it's definately overloaded.
DragonRider Posted August 25, 2006 #12 Posted August 25, 2006 Make them replace that tire, I wouldnt ride on it, and I dont believe being just 10 lbs low would do that, but I wouldnt tell them you ran it low............that tire had been sitting on the shelf way to long...........age causes that problem.........and tires dont age well like a fine wine does....................
Condor Posted August 25, 2006 Author #13 Posted August 25, 2006 No, nothing on the tire....hate Armoral anyway... The date on the tire is 2305, and the yet to be mounted rear is 4705. I think the 05 is the year, so they're not that old. Picked them up from Southwest Moto in Arizona, and had them mounted locally by a dealer. I wish Avon put serial numbers on them. I noticed the cracks up in Susanville while airing up the front. If the dealer had filled the tire to max when he mounted it it sure lost air quick. I'm keeping an eye on it, and also have a Ride-on Kit ordered. And.... I'll keep my high speed trunkin' down to a minimum if any at all. I may end up buying another tire for peace of mind.
jfluffy2 Posted August 25, 2006 #14 Posted August 25, 2006 hello, if you check the side wall. there is a date code , and it will tell you when the tire were made, all tire have this code , it may look like this 02306, this means that this tire was made 23 weeks in 2006, I hope this info helps
Condor Posted August 25, 2006 Author #15 Posted August 25, 2006 hello, if you check the side wall. there is a date code , and it will tell you when the tire were made, all tire have this code , it may look like this 02306, this means that this tire was made 23 weeks in 2006, I hope this info helps it does....thanks.
PEIslander Posted August 25, 2006 #16 Posted August 25, 2006 Another point to consider is the tire pressure on the sidewall is the tires Maximum inflation pressure. Your tires should be inflated to the pressure recommended by Yamaha or the tire manufacturer.(see below) So you weren't under inflated. Also on the load rating are you sure that is pounds and not kilograms. My Dunlop 404's are rated for 375kg which is over 800 lbs. KG x 2.2 = lbs. I agree with the others that you have a case for a warranty replacement, that tire was probably stored improperly or on display in an Arizona window. If the dealer won't take it back contact Avon directly. I've got an old tractor thats outside year round and the tires are 25 years old and they aren't cracked as bad as that Avon. Here's the recommendation on tire pressure from Avon's website.http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/Fitments.asp - http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifBike http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifMake:YamahaCapacity:1200http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifModel:XVZ 1200 T Venture RoyalType:TOURERhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifStart Year:1984End Year:1990http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifCode:47 Ghttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gif http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gif http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifName:120/90-18 71H AM41 Venomhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifRims:MT2.50-18Size:120/90-18http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifPressure:2.50bar (36psi)http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gif http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifName:140/90 B16 77H AM42 Venomhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifRims:MT3.00-16Size:140/90-16http://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.avonmotorcycle.com/us/en/images/spacer.gifPressure:2.90bar (42psi) Rick
sarges46 Posted August 25, 2006 #17 Posted August 25, 2006 Jack This spring i noticed my brand new front avon tire with this condition. I bought and had it installed at Sturgis last august. I called avon and they made me get a new one from my local dealer and have the dealer assist with the warranty. I have now just heard from my dealer that avon has agreed that there is a problem and will reimburse me. I will be going to the dealer tomorrow to see what I will get back. Original tire in sturgis 90 US and 90 for install. New tire here in Canada at my stealer...installed 230 Can. My tire was about the same year model...it wasnt old by any stretch. Avon said that this sometimes happen if the tire is exposed to unnatural products...oil, freon, ozone, antifreeze, etc , while in storage.
Condor Posted August 25, 2006 Author #18 Posted August 25, 2006 Thanks for the info Rick. I emailed Southwest Moto and receive a quick response with Avon's customer service number. Gave them a call and left a message. Avon returned my call while I was out taking care of honeydo's. Should have left my cell number instead of the office. It's good to know that this isn't the first time this has happened, and I really doubt that SouthWest stored the tire in any contaminates. It's too late to talk with Avon this week, so I'll give them a shout monday morning.
Moakster Posted August 25, 2006 #19 Posted August 25, 2006 That is a old tire from the cracking in the sidewall. A new tire would not have cracked on the sidwall like that.
V7Goose Posted August 26, 2006 #20 Posted August 26, 2006 From the picture, I'd swear that tire is 10 years old! But your date code is the 23rd week of 2005. And SW Moto Tire sells so many of these things, they are almost certain to have new tires in stock. I can't tell you what happened, but it sure wasn't Armorall - that will PREVENT the age cracking, not cause it. From what the dealers have told me, Avon has the best warranty of all tire companies, and they stand behind it. If it has a 2005 date code, they really need to fix this! Good luck, Goose
buddy Posted August 26, 2006 #21 Posted August 26, 2006 Hey Justjack, I worked for goodyear for 10yrs,they call this dry rott,due to the compound in the tire breaking down.This does not mean the tire will come apart but being on a bike I won't want to test my luck.Being a 2005 tire this should be under full waranty,a dealer would take a depth reading on your tread and do a adjustment off of that,if your tire has not been worn down much it should be under full warranty just be out money on shipping-taxes-tire mounting. I have a am41 avon on my bike #1804 tire still looks new and has no dry rott,best get it done soon for a better warranty adjustment buddy
Lone Eagle Posted August 26, 2006 #22 Posted August 26, 2006 Hey, Jack - don't take any chances - we've only got two wheels. I am sure Avon will stick behind the tire, and the person who installed it. Be careful this weekend - and let 'em work it out on Monday.
Condor Posted August 26, 2006 Author #23 Posted August 26, 2006 We'll see how it goes after I talk with Avon on Monday. I'll keep ya'll posted.
Condor Posted August 28, 2006 Author #24 Posted August 28, 2006 OK, here's the up date on the tire and some info passed on by Avon on the Venom X's. Avon will warantee the tire 100%. Something that I learned is that because of the agressiveness of the pattern on the Venoms, the tire pressure needs to be kept at a minimum of 40psi up to 43psi on the front tire, and a minimum of 45psi in the rear. They can't be treated like any other tire when it comes to tire pressures, and factory specs, which were writen for the Dunlop E-II, don't come into play. Unless this is done, while running at high speeds, the wall adhesives will over heat and pool toward the middle of the tire causing cupping over a period of time, and eventually throw a cap. Tire pressure on the Avon is critical. I know a lot of members have been raving about the performance of the Venoms, and rightly so, and because of that, many have installed them. Just a word to the wise. Check those pressures often.
V7Goose Posted August 28, 2006 #25 Posted August 28, 2006 OK, here's the up date on the tire and some info passed on by Avon on the Venom X's. Avon will warantee the tire 100%. Something that I learned is that because of the agressiveness of the pattern on the Venoms, the tire pressure needs to be kept at a minimum of 40psi up to 43psi on the front tire, and a minimum of 45psi in the rear. They can't be treated like any other tire when it comes to tire pressures, and factory specs, which were writen for the Dunlop E-II, don't come into play. Unless this is done, while running at high speeds, the wall adhesives will over heat and pool toward the middle of the tire causing cupping over a period of time, and eventually throw a cap. Tire pressure on the Avon is critical. I know a lot of members have been raving about the performance of the Venoms, and rightly so, and because of that, many have installed them. Just a word to the wise. Check those pressures often. Glad they are standing behind the tire. I do not doubt that you were told exactly what you reported about the tire pressure, but as is the case is so many things these days, the speaker may not actually know the facts. As PEIslander posted earlier in this thread, Avon's own web site specifically lists the appropriate pressure for their own tire on a 1st gen is 36 lbs. So I guess the only thing we can say for sure is that somebody is just flat wrong here. That leaves us to make the best decision we can with conflicting information. My personal advice here: Simple. Don't run them below either the owner's manual or the tire manufacturer's published data, whichever is higher. Secondly, do not run them above the max pressure on the sidewall. Finally, chose any pressure in between those two numbers that you feel gives you acceptable handling and is consistent with the maximum load you are putting on the bike. Good luck, Goose
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